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Posted by: Bartender Mar 29 2007, 05:33 PM
We got banned from Gawker for linking to PXthis.
http://gawker.com/news/gawker/this-week-in-commenter-executions-247827.php
They talked about Bruni and Bourdain this week, so I linked to here [No I'm not a traitor!], it wasn't industry secrets or anything. They couldn't get in to see anyway.
Me and my gf wouldn't even know about gawker if I didnt click a link from PX. So that's pretty lame.
Posted by: abbe Mar 29 2007, 05:41 PM
they "executed" you for linking to ME ??
oh geeeee, now there's a shocker
Posted by: Bartender Mar 29 2007, 05:43 PM
oh geeeee, now there's a shocker
Excuse you?
Posted by: abbe Mar 29 2007, 05:49 PM
whaaaaatever.
but don't get me started on that (OBVIOUS) exFametracker asshole all up in that piece, cuz i might blow a fucking gasket
Posted by: Dick Johnson Mar 29 2007, 08:53 PM
http://gawker.com/news/gawker/this-week-in-commenter-executions-247827.php
They talked about Bruni and Bourdain this week, so I linked to here [No I'm not a traitor!], it wasn't industry secrets or anything. They couldn't get in to see anyway.
Me and my gf wouldn't even know about gawker if I didnt click a link from PX. So that's pretty lame.
Well, I'm glad you're not a "traitor", but I don't see the point of feeding Gawker any information. Let them go dig for their own stories.
Posted by: Dick Johnson Mar 29 2007, 09:00 PM
but don't get me started on that (OBVIOUS) exFametracker asshole all up in that piece, cuz i might blow a fucking gasket
I hope you're not getting all riled up because of this. Obviously, if they do this, it's just because they're jellous.
But what's the "exFametracker asshole" thing about, because now I'm lost, and it sounds juicy.
Posted by: jo Mar 30 2007, 09:58 AM
http://gawker.com/news/leigh-haber/leigh-haber-takes-her-complaints-right-to-the-top-229718.php
Abbe's says:
"now. as for that Fametracker shit
oh maaaan lemme just find those files-- yalls will have to tune back in, in a day or two [wow i can "do this" every day!] to get the whole lowdown on that. if you actually give a shit i mean. i can give you the synopsis though:
it was i dunno i guess about a year or so ago, i thought i was doing a good thing "adopting" the 1,200 or so "Fametrackers" who got kicked out of their cyberhome because their current parents couldn't fucking stand them anymore, after four years of dealing with their juvenile nonsense.
so then i was their foster mother. for about four days. and then i couldn't fucking stand them either. so i tossed their sorry asses out too.
as a result, i got 46 really egregious nasty vile reviews on Amazon from a bunch of jerkoffs who never even bothered to read the book but still posted things like "it sucks" and "it's crap on a plate" and other such stuffs i can't recall right now. needless to say, Amazon wiped that shit clean in like two days.
then TWO Fametrackers felt really badly for me and actually bought and read theBook and gave me REAL reviews. which you can read right here. yah that's right bitches. "LZ" and "DRyan" are former FAMETRACKERS, they aint friends of mine. so nyeeeaah in your fucking face.
but seriously though. check back with me in a couple days, and you can see how it all went down with your very own eyes. just lemme dig them shits somewheres out of my spare hard drive."
Posted by: abbe Mar 30 2007, 10:20 AM
hey you forgot the part about them totally biting my stilo too.
Posted by: jo Mar 30 2007, 10:24 AM
hey you forgot the part about them totally biting my stilo too.
From pxthis.com (1/26/07)
"oh yah that reminds me:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/24/dining/24note.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin
'You May Kiss the Chef's Napkin Ring' (<---- 'kiss our fucking rings.' -abbe diaz pxthis.com 1/18/07)
and http://gawker.com/news/new-york-daily-news/post-to-daily-news-kettle-you-are-so-totally-black-231378.php
'Kettle, You are so Totally Black.' (<---- 'hi Pot ? this is Kettle. my gawd you are so totally black it's not even funny.' -abbe diaz pxthis.com 1/19/07)
mmhmmp. yeah TOTALLY BITE MY STILO why don't you. and these mutherfukkers get PAID for 'their' writing, that's the shit that gets me.
oh and before you go getting all cynical and incredulous like stupid fucking frank-mchugh, just remember: I CAN SEE YOU bitches."
Posted by: abbe Mar 30 2007, 10:25 AM
you're good.
Posted by: jo Mar 30 2007, 10:26 AM
I know.
Posted by: angel Mar 30 2007, 12:39 PM
So are we supposed to ban everyone that links to Gawker now!?
Posted by: abbe Mar 30 2007, 12:46 PM
So are we supposed to ban everyone that links to Gawker now!?
oh pleeese the whole thing is so fucking retarded i wouldn't even know where to begin
don't stress
turn that frown upside down
Posted by: angel Mar 30 2007, 12:56 PM
Yea!!!
I hate people like that!
Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 30 2007, 12:57 PM
Gawker sucks anyway.
Posted by: Bartender Mar 30 2007, 02:07 PM
I hate people like that!
Hmm.... I guess we never thought of it like that. Now it makes sense.
Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Mar 30 2007, 02:52 PM
I second that! The stuff they write about is so lame, most of the time. The only thing that was good was 'Gawker Stalker', which isn't even written by them, it's sent in by the readers. So the fact they would ban someone for sending them tips doesn't make sense at all.
Unless they really are jealous.
Abbe, you know you are much better than that website. Your celebrity sightings are all your own. And the way you tell it is always funny on top of it!
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 1 2007, 03:16 AM
Someone has a very good point:
a threat to them. I appreciate their snotty clever writing, but it's no replacement for the real deal - NY media is all about the showbiz smoke and mirrors - no one wants to be exposed giving anyone an undeserved blowjob - and we have seen them in spades, ladies and gentlemen. That's why they're not too jazzed something like PXthis even exists.
http://pxthis.invisionzone.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=7&view=findpost&p=457
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 1 2007, 03:19 AM
Now, this topic should be pinned at the top and made into ALL CAPS, exactly like Eater's, and then add the subtitle, "Addressing its Deep Seated, Misguided, Sad, Twisted Jellussy."
Posted by: pxthisi Apr 2 2007, 10:23 AM
ABRACADABRA
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 2 2007, 10:35 AM
That's hott.
Now....
Gisele, Adriana and Petra should show up on my doorstep, naked, with a case of Molson's Golden and a pepperoni pizza.
Posted by: pxthisi Apr 2 2007, 10:46 AM
i said: "abracadabra"
not: "welcome to fantasy island"
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 3 2007, 12:47 PM
So.... what? No pepperoni?
Posted by: Inkslinger Apr 3 2007, 01:31 PM
http://gawker.com/news/frank-bruni/frank-brunis-memoir-mission-accomplished-247368.php#c1165061
"Did Frank Bruni really used to "be a boytoy for a Cardinal in Rome, Italy"?"
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/02/today_in_seemingly_required_bu_1.html
"2. Gawker managing editor Choire Sicha dated Times restaurant critic Frank Bruni for a few months a year or two ago."
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 3 2007, 01:34 PM
"Did Frank Bruni really used to "be a boytoy for a Cardinal in Rome, Italy"?"
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/02/today_in_seemingly_required_bu_1.html
"2. Gawker managing editor Choire Sicha dated Times restaurant critic Frank Bruni for a few months a year or two ago."
Ohhhh
Snap.
Posted by: mss Apr 3 2007, 03:14 PM
such a small pond
Posted by: abbe Apr 3 2007, 03:28 PM
that's what gisele, adriana, and petra said.
Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Apr 4 2007, 01:46 PM
"Did Frank Bruni really used to "be a boytoy for a Cardinal in Rome, Italy"?"
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/02/today_in_seemingly_required_bu_1.html
"2. Gawker managing editor Choire Sicha dated Times restaurant critic Frank Bruni for a few months a year or two ago."
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 4 2007, 01:52 PM
Posted by: john.smith Apr 9 2007, 01:12 PM
well i just read gawker for the first time and it's pretty bad. it can't even compare to px this........
Posted by: Don Logan Apr 11 2007, 03:22 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04102007/gossip/pagesix/no_check__please_pagesix_.htm
No Check, Please
ONE of Gawker's acid-tongued editors, Emily Gould, blew her snarky site's credibility the other night when she haughtily branded its Gawker Stalker Map as "citizen journalism" - and then did an about-face, telling Jimmy Kimmel, subbing for Larry King on CNN: "Everyone who reads it knows that it isn't checked at all." When Gould insisted celebs can protect themselves with their millions, Kimmel shot back, "You know that's a silly and stupid thing to say . . . Just because people have money means it's OK to say false things about them, to tear them down?" Looking like a deer caught in the headlights, Gould squeaked, "It's not OK to say false things about anyone." To which Kimmel retorted, "Well, you should check your Web site then. Thank you for talking to us," and then cut her off.
Posted by: abbe Apr 11 2007, 10:01 AM
ahhh hahh ahhahh ahhahahhaa
well maybe she just looks like that cuz my "writing" makes her "head hurt"
Posted by: mss Apr 11 2007, 10:39 AM
desperately needs some media training, eh?
Posted by: MILFweed Apr 11 2007, 01:08 PM
This is Gawker: Hi this is Gawker. We are a bunch of talentless journalism school grads who think we are hot shit even though we only make $24 G a year. We write about people we don't know (frankly we just read about them ourselves) and we say snotty things about them because secretly deep down inside we wish we were one tenth as rich or successful as they are. We hate any kind of competition because they are better than us so we only promote websites that suck more than we do unless they are paying to advertise on our stupid shitty site because they are corporate fuckwits who don't know any better. We would never admit to liking anything or anybody unless they suck our asses in return. We only get to go to parties that we either have to sneak into or were invited to just because the party hosts are also stupid attention whores who are desperate to put their names and faces anywhere. We emulate Richard Johnson more than anyone else in the world.
This is PX This: Hi I'm Abbe Diaz. I worked for 20 years in some of the hottest places in the world. I have personally dealt with more powerful people and celebrities than you can shake a stick at and I can say with absolutely certainty most of them are idiotic morons. Every good looking hot blooded straight restaurateur in New York wants to jump my bones (read: Cipriani Goode Becker Mcnally) and I am friends with most of the coolest people in NYC who run every popular joint that Gawker can't even get a reservation at. I make beautiful dresses for rich socialites. I sell my paintings on the street in SoHo. I wrote a kick ass book that I published without any help from anybody. I built all my own websites. I ride a Ninja motorcycle. Once in a while I boogie to Snoop Dogg's "I Wanna Fuck You" and I look really hot doing it too. I'm gorgeous and sharp and sexy but most of all I'm sweet and have a heart of gold. And oh yea my boyfriend just happens to be a bazillionaire.
Nah. Gawker's not jealous at all.
Posted by: abbe Apr 11 2007, 01:43 PM
hey you forgot "funny"
or "witty" maybe
[thank you]
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 11 2007, 02:35 PM
You forgot: "She's a kung fu fighter [No, seriously!] who will totally kick your ass if you fuck with her."
http://www.pxthis.com/2010/09/rookie/
Ya hear that, Gawker?! She'll put your ass where your face used to be! LOL.
<< That's muh girl.
Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Apr 14 2007, 08:19 AM
This is PX This: Hi I'm Abbe Diaz. I worked for 20 years in some of the hottest places in the world. I have personally dealt with more powerful people and celebrities than you can shake a stick at and I can say with absolutely certainty most of them are idiotic morons. Every good looking hot blooded straight restaurateur in New York wants to jump my bones (read: Cipriani Goode Becker Mcnally) and I am friends with most of the coolest people in NYC who run every popular joint that Gawker can't even get a reservation at. I make beautiful dresses for rich socialites. I sell my paintings on the street in SoHo. I wrote a kick ass book that I published without any help from anybody. I built all my own websites. I ride a Ninja motorcycle. Once in a while I boogie to Snoop Dogg's "I Wanna Fuck You" and I look really hot doing it too. I'm gorgeous and sharp and sexy but most of all I'm sweet and have a heart of gold. And oh yea my boyfriend just happens to be a bazillionaire.
Nah. Gawker's not jealous at all.
This is the best nutshell I have ever seen
Posted by: jo Apr 15 2007, 09:07 AM
Fixed to make it even better:
This is PX This: Hi I'm Abbe Diaz. I worked for 20 years in some of the hottest places in the world. I have personally dealt with more powerful people and celebrities than you can shake a stick at and I can say with absolute certainty most of them are idiotic morons. Every good looking hot blooded straight restaurateur in New York wants to jump my bones (read: Cipriani Goode Becker Mcnally) and I am friends with most of the coolest people in NYC who run every popular joint that Gawker can't even get a reservation at. I make beautiful dresses for rich socialites. I sell my paintings on the street in SoHo. I wrote a kick-ass book that I published without any help from anybody. I built all my own websites. I ride a Ninja motorcycle. Once in a while I boogie to Snoop Dogg's "I Wanna Fuck You" and I look really hot doing it too. I'm gorgeous and sharp and sexy but most of all I'm sweet and have a heart of gold. And oh yea my boyfriend just happens to be a bazillionaire.
Posted by: angel May 9 2008, 01:40 PM
Animal NY street chronicler Bucky Turco took the bait of our sighting this morning of the elusive British stencil artist Banksy. Bucky traipsed over to Thunder Jacksons in the West Village and captured THE FIRST PICTURES of this new Banksy piece, which have just increased the value of the building 25-fold [UPDATE: Or have they? Gothamist says this work is by Nick Walker, not Banksy. We're investigating]. Click through for some larger pics of the three-part work, and then go over to Animal NY to read some more clues that Bucky gleaned about the artist . Journalism in action:
http://gawker.com/388996/new-nyc-banksy-piece-confirmed
Oh, Gothamist says, do they?
When exactly? After this, perchance?
http://gawker.com/388892/banksy-sighting#c5614690
Puhleeze.
http://gawker.com/388996/new-nyc-banksy-piece-confirmed#c5618035
Oh, I see.
Apparently, an e-mail from my assistant to Nick Denton is stamped 12:08pm.
And my initial comment here at Gawker is stamped 10:57am.
You guys are really a fucking piece of work.
http://gawker.com/388996/new-nyc-banksy-piece-confirmed#c5618510
Posted by: abbe May 9 2008, 01:52 PM
goddamn you're quick. thank you.
can you fucking believe it ?! they are just too much.
Posted by: abbe May 9 2008, 02:19 PM
chickenjungle at 02:10 PM
Whatever.
I was there last night, and saw all THREE artists with my very own eyes ("And who's that dude there? Is that... Shepherd Fairy?? Oh shit, maybe!").
So, go ahead and keep on juggling your desperately-wannabee-relevant bullshit alls you want, mutherfukkers.
It won't make you "down." Never has, never will.
http://gawker.com/388996/new-nyc-banksy-piece-confirmed#c5620111
Posted by: Inkslinger May 9 2008, 02:25 PM
can you fucking believe it ?! they are just too much.
Yeah, too pathetic.
Posted by: angel May 9 2008, 05:37 PM
Banksy: millionaire street artist, fierce cultural critic, celebrity darling of the art world. The man's prestige has been immeasurably enhanced by his anonymity. He insists on it, and it gives him an air of mystery that only increases his allure to the media, fans, and collectors alike. An alleged photo of him was widely circulated last year, but it certainly didn't result in his real name being printed in his omnipresent media coverage. Those in his inner circle insist on strict concealment of his identity. Theories, of course, abound. But today, Bucky Turco at Animal NY believes he's stumbled upon Banksy's true identity. Combined with some corroborating evidence we got ourselves, the case is plausible—though far from proven. Now this would be big news:
This morning, we got a tip about a sighting of Banksy painting on the side of Thunder Jacksons in NYC. Bucky Turco went and took pictures of the work. Shortly afterwards, Gothamist and others proclaimed that the piece was in fact by Nick Walker(pictured)—another well known stencil artist from Bristol, England.
Well.
The piece at Thunder Jacksons is by Nick Walker. You can see the theme in his own photos on Flickr. Our own original tipster wrote in to say, "I stand corrected. It wasn't Banksy - it was Nick Walker...the pics of the artwork show a signature that happens to be Nick Walker's. Youtube has some videos of Nick Walker working and he is the guy who was at TJ's last night."
But, asked for more information, the same tipster added this: "While he was outside doing his stencil sombody asked if he was banksy and he said he was."
Nick Walker said he was Banksy. [This is also corroborated by Gawker commenter chickenjungle, a.k.a. Abbe Diaz, http://gawker.com/388892/banksy-sighting#c5614381. She says she was at Thunder Jacksons last night and heard Walker say the same thing]....
http://gawker.com/389054/banksy-unmasked
Posted by: abbe May 13 2008, 10:17 AM
you missed one!
http://gawker.com/389054/banksy-unmasked#c5627107
by chickenjungle at 06:29 PM on 05/09/08
My word, what's this? MY name, coming out of Gawker HQ, without any snark, lies, derogatory references and/or pejorative innuendoes? And with a hyperlink, no less?
Wow, Mr. Nolan. How are you feeling? Are you okay?
Cuz I woulda thought for sure that sorta shit might give you a fucking HERNIA or something.
hahahahahahahahaaa
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 5 2008, 11:57 AM
In the yahoo inbox today there is an email with a link to a comment at Gawker from someone who is a fan of the book.
"Though I'm sure myriad waiters and Starbucks baristas and parking valets and hotel concierges would agree with the choices, right? Right?"
Aha ha ahah ahahahaa is that really really truly a serious question? Cuz-- you know where you can find the answer, right? Right?
Oh forget it. NEVER MIND.
http://gawker.com/5044920/these-are-the-nicest-celebrities-in-town#c7563939
@WangWater:
"PX This" rules! Go Abbe!
http://gawker.com/5044920/these-are-the-nicest-celebrities-in-town#c7592649
Interestingly, the comment doesn't appear on the front of Gawker where the post is - it still lists the second to last comment. Normally, the last comment appears on the front page. But of course, not this time!
By Richard
5,438 views, 61 comments
Latest by JulesNoctambule: A friend of mine has worked with Julianne Moore and says she's one of the nicest, most genuine actresses she's MORE »
http://gawker.com/index.php?refId=5044928
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 5 2008, 12:06 PM
I would also like to point out how Gawker once called us "Koreshian," but on their site today is a post about how their readers brought food to their office.
Thanks to commenter Supergoddess for bringing lemon squares to the office today, and to commenter RollsRoyceRevenge for bringing me candy and cookies at the office last week. Comrades, your party loyalty has been duly noted.
5:34 PM on Thu Sep 4 2008
By Sheila
1,292 views
81 comments
http://gawker.com/5045639/how-things-work
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 5 2008, 12:19 PM
Did you read the comments!? But we're Koreshian!? Unlike them, as much as I like Abbsterpiece, I would never go so far as tonguing her anus.
I hope the next person that brings cookies and cakes to their office is a suicide bomber.
Posted by: swee Sep 5 2008, 12:56 PM
Thanks to commenter Supergoddess for bringing lemon squares to the office today, and to commenter RollsRoyceRevenge for bringing me candy and cookies at the office last week. Comrades, your party loyalty has been duly noted.
5:34 PM on Thu Sep 4 2008
By Sheila
1,292 views
81 comments
http://gawker.com/5045639/how-things-work
The most egregious part of it is the title How Things Work. It's essentially an official declaration that sycophancy is their M.O.
The comments in that thread are a strong indication that Gawker's evolution from media blog to glorified Myspace page is finally complete.
Posted by: omnipresent Sep 5 2008, 03:21 PM
Wow, you weren't kidding! This thread is even worse.
The grade school playground stuff makes me ashamed to be a card-carrying Gawker commenter. Just when you thought it was safe.....We were rid of Julia Allison! Now this.
The worst part is that I can't even comment this at Gawker, because I'll get executed.
Posted by: Jason Has-Binn Sep 5 2008, 05:56 PM
liar
Posted by: abbe Sep 18 2008, 09:27 AM
hhahahahhah hahahah haahah aahahhahahah hahahah hahahha hhHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHHAHAHA AAahahha hahhahah hahahahahaaaaa
i KNEW this shit was gonna blow up.
Gawker Should Be Imprisoned Forever, Says Everyone Except Lawyers
By email, by telephone and by cable television comes a consistent message for Gawker: We should all be woken in the middle of the night, hauled off to jail, and locked away maybe forever for publishing some of Sarah Palin's emails, including her daughter Bristol's phone number and husband's previously-known email address. Some people would also like us shot, because God only knows the terrible things that can be done to someone with email addresses and phone numbers. Bizarrely, the only person who disagreed with our legal culpability was a Scientologist, because despite the many negative things we've written about that "church" the law is apparently clear: "Gawker's fine," Fox News's Greta Van Susteren said. Click the video icon to watch the TV coverage; some emails and a voice mail we "liberal Jews" received is after the jump.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah hahaahhahahahah aaaahahahahahahahaa
I'M JUST SAYIN.
Posted by: abbe Sep 18 2008, 09:30 AM
no but seriously though ?
i almost wish i had taken that new website-building directorship job thingie offer, just so i could offer hamilton-nolan (and ian-spiegelman) a couple of nice jobs i am not even kidding.
FREE HAMILTON
Posted by: swee Sep 19 2008, 03:32 PM
Alas! Your knightly, intrepid Hamilton has been slain by the mighty, mind-numbing armies of his Pageview Peers.
http://gawker.com/5052453/emily-brill-will-not-go-gentle-into-that-good-night
Posted by: omnipresent Sep 22 2008, 04:02 PM
The comments in that thread are a strong indication that Gawker's evolution from media blog to glorified Myspace page is finally complete.
Now it's finally complete.
Lord have mercy!
Posted by: whats anorexia? Sep 23 2008, 02:12 PM
Lord have mercy!
gawker is just trying to be more like pxthis!
Posted by: swee Oct 3 2008, 03:26 PM
Gawker Media Cutting Back; Fires 19 Employees
http://www.observer.com/2008/media/denton-shuffles-deck-hires-snyder-m-e-gawker-moe-tkacik-let-go
Unfortunately, only 1 of those 19 is from the Gawker site itself.
Posted by: Inkslinger Oct 3 2008, 03:30 PM
http://www.observer.com/2008/media/denton-shuffles-deck-hires-snyder-m-e-gawker-moe-tkacik-let-go
Unfortunately, only 1 of those 19 is from the Gawker site itself.
Do people actually give a shit about Gawker? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: swee Oct 3 2008, 03:33 PM
They used to, back when it was unique and esoteric. Now they read it only because it's faster than having to read both The Post and Perez Hilton.
Posted by: abbe Oct 3 2008, 03:56 PM
http://www.observer.com/2008/media/denton-shuffles-deck-hires-snyder-m-e-gawker-moe-tkacik-let-go
Uh yah, but wouldn't Gawker be better off just doing what it does best? And by that I mean: Julia Allison and Emily Brill-- all day, every day.
Posted by: pxthis on October 3, 2008 3:43 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/gawker-media-laying-off-19-workers.php
Posted by: omnipresent Nov 24 2008, 11:59 AM
For those of you still playing at home, this thread is pure gold.
Posted by: Dick Johnson Nov 24 2008, 04:33 PM
LOL.
Do those pretentious Gawkerites realize that in other parts of the Internets, people point, and laugh and call them Idiots? Oh, they must not, because when people from within point and laugh and call them Idiots, they really seem very surprised.
Posted by: whats anorexia? Dec 11 2008, 02:01 PM
http://gawker.com/5106375/james-frey-answers-your-gawker-internship-questions?t=9378440#viewcomments
why are those gawkers such assholes!?! you tell 'em, abbe!
Posted by: abbe Feb 6 2009, 11:37 AM
The following posts have been moved here from their original thread.
i give up
these people are just too stupid
@undefined: @karion: I suppose this is the part where we're supposed to smile, and pat you on the head and say, "Good little troll. Now, be on your way."
Was there some part of "I'm tired of seeing her being called crazy" that you didn't understand?
From what I can tell, Abbe has never directly addressed you (or any other troll here) at all, except to respond to one of your unfoundedly rude, obnoxious comments toward her. And yet you continue to follow her around, in some kind of desperate attempt to gain whatever attention you feel you're lacking.
You call her batshit, you've called her a drunk, you've implied she's of the mental state to commit sucide, you've accused her of wanting to "fellate" a man she's never met, without a single fact to back up your disgusting libelous statements.
Your half-hearted backpedaling doesn't impress me. It's as pathetic as Josh Stein's cowardice, a so-called journalist who persistently wrote pejorative things about Abbe, but interestingly, has never had the balls to face her as she taunts him comment after comment. In contrast, Abbe lives, works and socializes in NY, amongst the veritable titans of their field that she has boldly exposed as the conniving, thieving, manipulative, backstabbing, spoiled cretins they are.
I dare you to back up your claims about Abbe's craziness. I dare you and Josh Stein both.
I double dog dare you.
sweetie, i love you to death but uh--
i think this is not good.
these people LIE. they make things up. they pull shit out of their asses. and contrary to what you may think, i neither have the patience, stomach, nor fortitude to deal with a some kind of libel lawsuit. (ha ahaa unless i HAD TO, in defense, of course. i can defense my ass off but i aint no goddamned plaintiff.)
do you think this is the first time i have gone through this shit ?
eGullet DELETED MY POSTS. and then CHANGED MY ACCESS PASSWORD.
Fametracker left 42 BOGUS DERISIVE NEGATIVE REVIEWS on Amazon in ONE DAY.
Eater attacked ThunderJacksons WITHOUT EVER HAVING TASTED THE FOOD, simply because i loved it.
Gridskipper, NY Magazine, and the NY Post all accused me of pettiness WITHOUT EVER HAVING READ MY BOOK.
Gawker MADE UP LIES, REFUSED TO RETRACT WHEN PROVEN WRONG, and then BANNED ME FROM COMMENTING.
seriously. dude
not good.
Posted by: abbe Feb 6 2009, 11:39 AM
sorry. never mind.
what's done is done.
thank you, and i luv u.
xoxoxo
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 6 2009, 12:01 PM
what's done is done.
thank you, and i luv u.
xoxoxo
Posted by: whats anorexia? Feb 6 2009, 01:10 PM
i think this is not good.
these people LIE. they make things up. they pull shit out of their asses...
seriously. dude
not good.
abbe, they banned you again!
oh my god, they are ridiculous!! they let that girl that said all those awful things about you stay, but they ban you for defending yourself!? what kind of assholes are they!!??
Posted by: abbe Feb 6 2009, 01:57 PM
they let that girl that said all those awful things about you stay, but they ban you for defending yourself!? what kind of assholes are they!!??
TOLD YA SO.
Posted by: abbe Feb 6 2009, 01:58 PM
censorship is the first weapon of choice for the weak and feeble-minded.
Posted by: Dick Johnson Feb 6 2009, 02:12 PM
The retarded thing is that anyone who reads that thread just comes away with a feeling of shock at their immaturity. Joshua Stupid Swine's little comment at his little foul-mouthed friend there at the end is the most pathetic.
What a smug, self-satisfied, little turd.
Posted by: abbe Feb 6 2009, 02:17 PM
they let that girl that said all those awful things about you stay, but they ban you for defending yourself!? what kind of assholes are they!!??
what ever.
they don't have a half a leg to stand on, and they know it. which is why they resort to this act of inanity.
there was some chick last week named rachel-marsden (apparently she's some kind of media person) and she was spouting all sorts of stuffs to their commenters-- calling them "assholes" and "retards" and "brain-dead" or whatever the hells she said.
hah. here it is---> http://gawker.com/5141613/did-hilary-rowland-just-lie-to-us?t=10373929#c10373929
but okay, you catch that ?
she's not "banned."
but i am.
figure that shit out.
Posted by: angel Feb 6 2009, 02:29 PM
they let that girl that said all those awful things about you stay, but they ban you for defending yourself!? what kind of assholes are they!!??
Typical.
So weak.
Posted by: Dick Johnson Feb 6 2009, 02:30 PM
they don't have a half a leg to stand on, and they know it. which is why they resort to this act of inanity.
there was some chick last week named rachel-marsden (apparently she's some kind of media person) and she was spouting all sorts of stuffs to their commenters-- calling them "assholes" and "retards" and "brain-dead" or whatever the hells she said.
hah. here it is---> http://gawker.com/5141613/did-hilary-rowland-just-lie-to-us?t=10373929#c10373929
but okay, you catch that ?
she's not "banned."
but i am.
figure that shit out.
I did. They're scared shit of you.
Posted by: virgo Feb 6 2009, 03:50 PM
they don't have a half a leg to stand on, and they know it. which is why they resort to this act of inanity.
there was some chick last week named rachel-marsden (apparently she's some kind of media person) and she was spouting all sorts of stuffs to their commenters-- calling them "assholes" and "retards" and "brain-dead" or whatever the hells she said.
hah. here it is---> http://gawker.com/5141613/did-hilary-rowland-just-lie-to-us?t=10373929#c10373929
but okay, you catch that ?
she's not "banned."
but i am.
figure that shit out.
abbe, that's why i always say i don't know why you bother with this. they're assholes. they're also racist. that's probably why you got banned, but no one else that says worse shit than you does.
just let their karma take care of them, like it obvs has before.
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:03 PM
Oh. My. Gagh. 
I'm so sorry, Abbe.
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:05 PM
oh my god what a bunch of fucking dickheaded short-sighted narrow-minded little weasel punk bitches
fuck this
let's just go punch that asshole in his fucking head
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:06 PM
i can't believe my eyes
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:09 PM
yea why are they always talking shit about asian women? i saw the comments on abbe's facebook feed
let me find the link
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:19 PM
http://gawker.com/5146687/bruce-wassersteins-secret-asian-bride-revealed
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 6 2009, 04:21 PM
http://sexandtheivy.com/category/gawker/
those fuckers
Posted by: virgo Feb 6 2009, 04:24 PM
yea why are they always talking shit about asian women? i saw the comments on abbe's facebook feed
let me find the link
those fuckers
exactly. thank you.
Posted by: MILFweed Feb 7 2009, 02:28 PM
What a smug, self-satisfied, little turd.
He made himself look like such a dork doing that. The fact that he doesn't have the guts to address Abbe but waits until she is locked out and then he goes and flirts with the troll freak makes him look so small and petty. And he signed with his initials so obviously he thinks he is some kind of Casanova. What an idiot.
Then again I guess he has to pick his friends where he can find them even if they are just loser morons.
Posted by: abbe Feb 7 2009, 03:21 PM
i mean-- SERIOUSLY ??
to gabriel, tips
Feb 6 (2 days ago)
banned on what grounds? being right? defending myself? defending my friend?
it's downright astounding your stance on the first amendment. you can say anything you damned well please, but do not extend that right to those whom you so eagerly denigrate.
thank you for confirming what i've known and maintained all along.
abbe diaz
http://pxthis.com
Gabriel Snyder
to me
6:57 PM (19 hours ago)
Um, look up the First Amendment and then get back to me about how it applies here.
You were banned for being a troll, which I define as someone who seeks to hijack a conversation so it becomes only about themselves.
Oh, and for using three different accounts in one thread.
abbe diaz
to Gabriel
2:10 PM (9 minutes ago)
excuse me? a "troll" is an ANONYMOUS commenter (like the other jackasses in that thread) who posts derogatory comments NOT PERTINENT to the discussion at hand.
i "hijacked" the thread how?
oh, by commenting on the SUBJECT (namely, Leah Cohen) and then when OTHERS attacked me without cause and/or provocation, i defended myself in kind. that means i "hijacked" it?
yes, i guess it would have been better to just let others have their say, despite their ignorance, lack of insight, and just plain UNTRUTH. because THEY should get to say whatever they want, but i am not entitled to that same privilege.
why do you allow several ways of access, if it's such an issue? my Safari browser is automatically logged in every time the window opens. the Facebook account i chose to use later (via Firefox), so that other people not generally inclined to read Gawker can follow my discussions. why do you offer the option if you prefer it not be used?
also: as i reported to Gawker under the "bugs" link, my original facebook profile "abbediaz01" was disconnected from my Facebook account. so-- it's so awful to let regular Gawker commenters (who care to check) that i have actually been a rather active Gawker commenter for quite some time, despite what my new "disconnected" Facebook profile ("abbediaz02") suggests?
as for the THIRD account, that comes from a different person entirely, as I would imagine his IP address would obviously display. so a DIFFERENT person that agrees with me, should also post under MY account? how does that make any sense?
in short, Gabriel, i don't know what your problem is. i have been a far more judicious commenter than most others. i have even gone so far as to defend Gawker itself on occasion, when warranted.
no, i am not there 24/7 nitpicking and criticizing every little thing and flirting inanely with other commenters every single day, frolicking in your little sandbox. but sorry, i have a rule about not "speaking" unless i really feel i have something worth saying.
you allow those who have attacked me unjustly to have their say, but you ban me (and my friend) for defending myself. i truly hope you're proud of yourself and your decision, as it is indeed your OWN moral compass that will make your way in this world.
abbe diaz
p.s. i said that YOU (meaning Gawker) use the First Amendment to protect your vicious potrayals of your subjects (i being one of them). but cowardly enough, you do not allow those you attack to defend themselves. YOU hide under the First Amendment. but you have neither the strength nor the character to extend the very same privilege democracy affords you to others.
CHRIST.
Posted by: MILFweed Feb 8 2009, 02:52 PM
CHRIST.
They have the nerve to call you the troll? What a bunch of fucking assholes. They obviously have a vendetta against you Abbe. It looks like there could be something to this racial allegation. Fucking pigs.
ETA: "you allow those who have attacked me unjustly to have their say, but you ban me (and my friend) for defending myself. i truly hope you're proud of yourself and your decision, as it is indeed your OWN moral compass that will make your way in this world."
I love this line Abbe. I'm proud of you for taking the high road. Because you're right about that. Their own karma will judge them like it always has before. Remember what kind of people they are Abbe and then look around at how great your life is in comparison. You have your friends around you that support you and we respect everything that you have ever done. I'm sure that they can't look in the mirror and say that.
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 8 2009, 03:08 PM
to me
6:57 PM (19 hours ago)
You were banned for being a troll, which I define as someone who seeks to hijack a conversation so it becomes only about themselves.
troll 1310 up, 219 down
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark off such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue
But, yea Gabe, let's go with your biased, self-serving, bogus, prejudicial, fallacious definition instead. You stupid racist fuck.
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 8 2009, 03:51 PM
ETA: "you allow those who have attacked me unjustly to have their say, but you ban me (and my friend) for defending myself. i truly hope you're proud of yourself and your decision, as it is indeed your OWN moral compass that will make your way in this world."
I love this line Abbe. I'm proud of you for taking the high road. Because you're right about that. Their own karma will judge them like it always has before. Remember what kind of people they are Abbe and then look around at how great your life is in comparison. You have your friends around you that support you and we respect everything that you have ever done. I'm sure that they can't look in the mirror and say that.
Wait until you see what happens tomorrow!
But watch how Gawker ignores it, because they are cowardly dishonorable jerks that can never own up to doing something wrong.Go Abbester!
Posted by: abbe Feb 9 2009, 10:00 AM
to me
show details 5:23 PM (15 hours ago)
Gawker's comments are moderated. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes the bans don't make much sense to those who are banned (See: http://gawker.com/tag/executions/). Sorry about that.
The kerfuffle in the Top Chef thread is not the sort of thing I want in the comments. But they are still published, so you've had your say on whatever it is that you feel is such a burning issue.
aha ha ha ha ha haha hahahahaa
i don't even have to comment further on this latest response from gabriel-snyder.
seriously, read his first e-mail again, and then read this latest one.
it pretty much tells you everything about his character you need to know.
Posted by: Dick Johnson Feb 9 2009, 11:51 AM
"Gawker's comments are moderated. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes the bans don't make much sense to those who are banned. Sorry about that."
You're an asshole. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes when food gets spit in, it doesn't make much sense to those whose food gets spit in. Sorry about that.
This is what they look like:
Gabriel Snyder
Josuha David Stein
Posted by: john.smith Feb 9 2009, 12:11 PM
i don't even have to comment further on this latest response from gabriel-snyder.
seriously, read his first e-mail again, and then read this latest one.
it pretty much tells you everything about his character you need to know.
You're an asshole. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes when food gets spit in, it doesn't make much sense to those whose food gets spit in. Sorry about that.
This is what they look like:
Gabriel Snyder
Josuha David Stein
looking at his fat head actually tells you alot more about his character than you need to know..........................
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 12:37 PM
I'll say it before and I'll say it again - I can't believe these people have the nerve to make fun of other people.
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 12:42 PM
i don't even have to comment further on this latest response from gabriel-snyder.
seriously, read his first e-mail again, and then read this latest one.
it pretty much tells you everything about his character you need to know.
This guy is the managing editor of gawker? I guess the media isn't that different from the restaurant industry - he reminds me so much of Lois Freedman.
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 01:20 PM
Abbe Diaz vs Gawker
http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/good-night-mr-lewis-px-this-abbe-diaz-vs-gawker/6249
Go Abbester!!
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 01:40 PM
It looks like they had to abridge the interview. If you want to read the whole thing, here it is:
Abbe Diaz: No.
SL: So, what's the story?
AD: Oh god, the WHOLE story? We might be here awhile.
SL: Great. More time for me to sweat you. Haha. So what happened now?
AD: Gawker banned me. AGAIN, I should say.
SL: And by "banned" you mean...?
AD: They revoked my commenting privileges. See, it used to be that you had to go through this kind of "audition" process to be able to comment on Gawker's stories. But now I think anybody can comment, but I'm not entirely sure. In any case, the first time I got banned, it was for calling this writer, Joshua David Stein, a hypocrite.
SL: Is he a hypocrite?
AD: Oh yeah. Absolutely. Oh lord, I don't even know where to begin.
SL: At the beginning?
AD: Remember my last interview with you, I mentioned these blogger "circle-jerky" cliques, or whatever? [ http://www.pxthis.com/2010/01/talk-loudly-and-carry-a-big-stick/ ]
Well, when Josh Stein first started writing for Gawker, apparently it was his "beat" to cover restaurants and nightlife. It just so happens that right around that time, I had this drama going on at my [PX This] forum [for restaurant industry employees]. I don't know if you recall-- I mentioned a chef, and a grasshopper being planted in a sandwich wrap... oh forget it, that's a whole other interview in itself.
Anyway, we sent that item to Josh Stein, because we figured it was great restaurant gossip and very relevant to the issues he covers. But for some reason, he didn't quite understand, and he ended up writing about some other thing. But he did credit me for it, and so I sent him a thank you note. I thought he was cool, we had no beef with each other.
SL: Okay...
AD: Then suddenly, a little while later, he wrote another item about me. Or maybe more about my forum. And in it, for no reason, he called the members of the forum "Koreshian." [ http://gawker.com/news/blogs/internet-people-dine-at-balthazar-talk-trash-253783.php ]
As in, ya know, the David Koresh cult that killed themselves? Nice, huh? A bunch of people get together in one place to discuss the plights of their jobs and their industry and that makes them "suicidal cultists." He also called our forum the "seedy-underbelly" of the industry. Despite the fact the top few most vociferous members alone have about 125 years of experience in the industry under their belts. And they come from some of the most well-renowned and illustrious restaurants in New York.
SL: Why would he say that?
AD: Exactly. Good question.
Next thing you know, he is being quoted on other websites, saying he's "surprised" that I "haven't killed anyone yet." [ http://eater.com/archives/2007/12/the_year_in_eat_10.php ]
As in, I guess, I'm insane or something. Also, he called me "nuts." [ http://gawker.com/news/eaters-digest/eaters-digest-egg-beats-sparkys-si-vacant-brooklyn-inn-is-out-254626.php ]
The best part was when he decided my siding with the workers who sued their employees for wages that were stolen from them, makes me "Napoleonic." I'm not exaggerating. This is not a joke. Evidently, Josh Stein believes that supporting those who fight to uphold the laws of The NY State Department of Labor makes me a jackass. He thinks that these injustices (for which workers have been awarded millions of dollars in compensation) are merely "what [Diaz] sees as perfidious backstabbing." In other words, all these injustices are merely my "perception." As though I made it up. As though it means nothing. Okay, did you catch that? Workers fight for what rightfully belongs to them, and that makes them the "seedy-underbelly" of the industry. I support them, and that makes me "nuts" and "Napoleonic." [ http://gawker.com/news/tempests-in-teapots...ndal-294622.php ]
And somehow, in the midst of all this, people still forget that without these workers, these highly-regarded restaurants can't possibly exist.
SL: Wow.
AD: Oh wait, it gets better.
Okay so, then a little while later, a new anonymously-written blog pops up, it's called Sympathy for the Restaurant Industry. Funny stuff. Hilarious. Interestingly enough, right away, I get fingered by both Gawker and New York Magazine as its creator, despite having been barely acknowledged by Gawker previously, and NEVER having been acknowledged by NY Magazine at all.
Everybody thinks this "S4RI" blog is so good, it MUST be written by Abbe Diaz. [ http://nymag.com/daily/food/2007/08/chef_romanaclef_continues_keit.html ]
How fucking ridiculous is that? It just so happens this blogger is a "fan" of mine, so we decide to meet in person. Her name is Gwen Butler, and she's what Boston calls "the $3 Million Dollar Bartender."
SL: She's the girl that got a $3,000,000 tip to open her own restaurant, right?
AD: Yes! You remember...
SL: Go on.
AD: Okay so, NY Magazine figures it out pretty quickly. Daniel Maurer pulls a Sherlock Holmes and he figures out it's not me after all, it's Gwen Butler. [ http://nymag.com/daily/food/2007/08/is_our_mystery_romanaclef_writ.html#more ]
That very same day, Josh Stein writes this:
"For those who love crazy tirades about the restaurant world but hate punctuation and capital letters, Abbe Diaz's non-anonymous PXThis is a real boon.... That forum brims with Ms. Diaz's invective-laced bromides against what she sees as the perfidious backstabbing restaurant world. She writes about it with Napoleonic pizazz and an almost Cummingsian disregard for punctuation... Now there's Sympathy for the Restaurant Industry... Is it the work of Abbe Diaz?
... There are two basic arguments for the blog being penned by Ms. Diaz. One is the pure unbridled crazy batshitness of it all... Either Diaz is actually secretly capable of stringing together words into sentences using syntax and grammar, or there's another someone out there bursting with the same vitriol and petty anger..." [ http://gawker.com/news/tempests-in-teapots...ndal-294622.php ]
SL: Harsh!
AD: Mmhmm. The fact that item once appeared at the very top of the Google list under my name, cost me a potentially lucrative consultation project. Understand? It affected my livelihood.
So now I'm thinking, "What is this kid's problem? What have I ever done to him? I've never been anything but nice and straightforward with him, and Gawker, for that matter." Even this one time when Gawker wrote awful things about a friend of mine, I handled it with humor.
Oh ha-- okay long story short? Before all this, Gawker wrote an awful item about this editor friend of mine. A few nights later, we just happen to run into [Gawker owner] Nick Denton having dinner at The Waverly Inn. So my friend went right over to his table and told him off smack in the middle of his dinner, even though, granted, he wasn't DIRECTLY responsible for the item. But when I recounted the story on my blog, I even said Nick Denton handled it graciously.
But hoo boy, the blogger who wrote the item, Emily Gould, she was not happy at all. She then proceeded to write more awful things about my editor friend. And of course, she dragged me into it, calling me "unintelligible" and "lamedropping." [ http://gawker.com/news/leigh-haber/leigh-haber-takes-her-complaints-right-to-the-top-229718.php ]
SL: I'm starting to get confused...
AD: Sorry, I only bring it up to make a point. Emily Gould-- hating on my friend and me, for no reason. Josh Stein-- suddenly out of nowhere hating on me, for no reason. Ready for the punchline? It comes out months and months later (after they both quit their jobs at Gawker) they were sleeping with each other the entire time.
[ http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/item_ysRejQ1Q10HXNGDsQV110K ]
SL: Get outta here.
AD: Oh yeah. Fact. They each wrote about it too. Stein laid it out in Page Six Magazine, and Gould, being the woman scorned, unleashed her wrath on the cover of New York Times magazine. Classic shit. You gotta google it. Fascinating in a very odd, perverse, media-inside-baseball kind of way.
Oh but I digress.
SL: Yeah, start gressing. Ha ha.
AD: I'll try to speed it up.
Okay so now, Josh Stein no longer works for Gawker full-time, but he blogs for them now and again, and obviously still has friends there. One of his shticks is to "re-blog" Top Chef. Ya know, the show? Your homegirls, Nikki Cascone and Camille Becerra?
SL: They're hot.
AD: I agree! Okay so, here's Stein, Top Chef... blah blah... I'm reading... and suddenly I'm seeing RED.
SL: Look out. Everybody duck!
AD: No shit. Here he is, blabbering about some chef on the TV show, how she's an awful human being, she's mean and caustic etc etc etc. Okay, rewind?
I wrote an entire BOOK on this very same subject about people in the REAL RESTAURANT WORLD (not some made-up "reality" TV show) but that makes ME "batshit." And "vitriolic." And filled with "petty anger."
Wooo child, let me tell you, I showed him what "vitriolic" means. I tore him a new one in the comment section of Gawker. [ http://gawker.com/5010435/lisa-the-mean-self+serving-hack-lives-to-cook-another-day#c5840522 ]
So they "banned" me.
SL: Maybe they didn't appreciate all the swear words.
AD: I thought of that. Except, Gawker is HARDLY filled with Quakers. And you know, at the time, in a way, I thought I was kinda doing Stein a favor.
See, I figured that Gould chick was whispering in his ear, plying him with kisses while arming him with daggers. Ya know the type? Like Anne Boleyn in The Tudors or some shit. And I didn't really have that big a beef with him, I had fun with it too in a way. But Gawker, they speak a different language. If you get all dejected and earnest with them, they'll never take you seriously. But if you play their game, you have a far greater chance of being heard.
And honestly, I thought I was giving Josh Stein the opening to come out and play. Get a little frisky maybe. Get jiggy with it. I swear I thought he'd just fight back, and then maybe after a few heated words, we'd smooth it all over and laugh about it.
SL: But they banned you instead.
AD: Yeah. WEAK. Needless to say, I went right back in.
SL: That's my girl!
AD: High five.
Okay, fast fast forward. All that was months and months ago. Practically water under the bridge. I even started to like Gawker. I commented there all the time. Ya know, like the way we both do at Down by the Hipster. Just messin' around.
SL: Okay. So what's the problem?
AD: Josh Stein went back to Gawker to blog about Top Chef all over again, for the new season.
Unfortunately, It turns out I know a chef on the show again. Leah Cohen. She's the Executive Chef of Centro Vinoteca, and she does a fantastic job. I'm convinced the show actually taught her a lot about being a great leader, because she's young, you know? She's only 26. She has a HUGE responsibility and I'm super impressed about how well she handles everything. She's gonna go really far.
SL: Uh oh. I smell trouble.
AD: Yeah. The internet hates Love. It hates Achievement, Ambition, and it hates Integrity most of all.
Look, I can roll with the punches like anybody, it's all good when it's all funny. But when people in glass houses start to throw rocks, it really makes the hair on my skin stand on end. So, I comment. On the Top Chef Gawker-recaps. But I swear, I never ever dish it worse than it's being served. It's all online, not hard to find. [ http://gawker.com/5137058/leah-and-hosea-consummate-their-dumbpoop-romance?t=10228554#c10228554 ]
Read them all, it's in black and white. And if they try to do something really asinine like surreptitiously edit me - oh that's been done to me on other sites too, believe me-- I have copies.
SL: Okay, so what's the problem?
AD: Trolls. Of course, trolls everywhere. It's the internet, after all.
Okay so, a few trolls start to emerge, and they sling all the same baseless crap. At this point, I'm pretty used to it. But that still doesn't make it right. Or something I have to tolerate. So we decided to beat them at their own game. One of my regular forum members took on the role of "Watchdog." He's smart and witty and funny, and he knows how to spell. What more can one ask for in a Webdog? And what he does is fight back at the trolls. In their own language, in their own style. He's like a little e-mirror doggy dog. He barks AND he bites.
SL: Where can I get one of those?
AD: Right here, silly. Just call me.
SL: I'm starting to get the picture.
AD: Yeah, so the other day, I defended Leah Cohen on Gawker. [ http://gawker.com/5147151/mouth-kisser-leahs-horrendous-fish-fail?t=10538140#c10538140 ]
And not for the first time, either. Last time, there was one particular troll, by the name of "Karion." She called me a drunk, she called me "batshit crazy," she accused me of wanting to "fellate" Josh Stein, and she told me to "find a new neighborhood." [ http://gawker.com/5137058/leah-and-hosea-consummate-their-dumbpoop-romance?t=10228554#c10228554 ]
Got that? I am defending the chef of a restaurant that is very near and dear to me, and she is calling me all these awful names, to defend a blogger she has never met, whose sole purpose is to denigrate the hardworking contestants on a television show.
And she says all these terrible things mind you, without knowing anything of the story I just told here.
SL: That's crazy.
AD: Ha! Funny, that's what they call ME.
SL: So they banned you for that?
AD: Pretty much. What happened is the "Watchdog" came to defend me. Stellar job, too. He totally reigns in the profanities. Ya know, good cop bad cop. In this case, clean cop dirty cop. I play the bumbling comic, and he plays the earnest role.
SL: Maybe it was a little too much?
AD: I honestly don't think so. They had another commenter there last week, named Rachel Marsden? Apparently, she's some type of media journalist or whatever. Well, Gawker made fun of her friend last week, and hoooo boy. She spit out venom. She called them all "retards," I am not even kidding. She called them "lying, fucking pricks." She spit out every profanity in the book. [ http://gawker.com/5141613/did-hilary-rowland-just-lie-to-us?t=10373929#c10373929 ]
You know how Gawker responded? They called her "shrill, but fun." [ http://gawker.com/5139899/is-hilary-rowland-dating-adrien-grenier?t=10325708#c10325708 ]
SL: I saw that thread where you were banned. [ http://gawker.com/5147151/mouth-kisser-leahs-horrendous-fish-fail?t=10538140#c10538140 ] You didn't go nearly as far as that.
AD: Thank you. That's my point. Why am I being discriminated against? Or my friend for that matter? For defending ourselves? Our friends? For being RIGHT?
But the troll who called me a drunk, and crazy, and accused me of wanting to "fellate" Josh Stein-- she gets to stay? Did you see at the bottom of that thread, where Josh Stein says "hello" to her? Unbelievable.
He has never had the guts to address me directly, but he certainly feels all right about deriding me on a JOURNALISTIC platform. He doesn't dare show himself in that thread until I've been locked out, and he appears-- not to discount anything I or my friend has stated, but only to massage the ego of the troll who -- can I be blunt-- figuratively "fellated" him. But evidently, I'M the "petty" one.
Commenters can criticize Leah's looks, her hair, her work ethic, and call her a "ho" as much as they please, but when I, the only person there who knows her personally, comments in her defense, I am censored.
SL: Why do you think Gawker did that?
AD: Nepotism, of course. For their weak, feeble friend, Joshua David Stein.
They have the gall to use the First Amendment to protect every bitter nasty thing they say about anyone they choose, but they have neither the strength nor the character to extend that very same privilege democracy has afforded them to those they so gleefully denigrate.
They actually had the nerve to send me an e-mail and call ME a "troll." Me-- one of the small handful of people who comments under their REAL name. They banned me on the grounds of "highjacking the thread." Seriously? People attack me without cause, provocation, or pertinence to the discussion at hand, but I am not allowed to respond in kind? I should just slink away and let them say whatever ignorant, unknowledgeable, UNTRUE thing they want, without repercussion or consequence.
SL: That's bad. That's manipulative and cowardly. It's just plain wrong.
AD: Would you ever do that Steve Lewis? Write terrible things about someone on your platform, but refuse them the right of defense? Would you want that done to you?
SL: Of course not, that's horrible.
AD: That's all I'm trying to say. I'm sorry it took all this time and space to say it.
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 01:51 PM
I think it's great that Blackbook printed that, but it's a shame that they seemed to cut out alot of important parts. I guess it was just too long.
Posted by: whats anorexia? Feb 9 2009, 02:31 PM
go abbe!
isn't gawker supposed to be this really huge website? i thought that they were considered to be one of the biggest & most important on the internet. but they come off so bad all the time.
Posted by: whats anorexia? Feb 9 2009, 02:34 PM
You're an asshole. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes when food gets spit in, it doesn't make much sense to those whose food gets spit in. Sorry about that.
i don't even work in a restaurant, but if i ever ran into them, i would go & spit in their food anyway.
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 03:17 PM
Woah, I think Blackbook is running the 2nd part of the interview tomorrow??
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 9 2009, 03:29 PM
#2
This interview just make Abbe seem more crazy. Josh and Emily haven’t written for Gawker in over a year. And yet she’s still ranting on and on about them. I know she’s nothing more than a simple attention-seeker, but she goes about it in a singularly nutty way.
Posted by whatever on Mon Feb 9, 2009 at 01.27 pm
#3
Isn’t the restaurant/club industry just as insular and cliquey/circle-jerkish as any other? Be it bloggers, bartenders, or hipsters, there’s a message board for all of them, and it feels like so many of the angry service-industrites end up at your site. Just sayin’.
Posted by Dick Johnson on Mon Feb 9, 2009 at 01.52 pm
#4
Oh, sure Josh. Oh whoops, I mean “GiGi”.
Yeah, Abbe has been a commenter at Gawker for over a year, but you’re still so scared of her, that you have to ban her, because you know that your stupid Top Chef recaps suck.
I know you’re nothing but an unemployed journalist-wannabe, but you go about it in a singularly punkassed kind of way.
Posted by Dick Johnson on Mon Feb 9, 2009 at 01.54 pm
#5
Whatever, “whatever”. You must be thinking of shamelessrestaurants.com or bitterwaitress.com
Or are you thinking of angry restaurant diners? That’s eater.com
Posted by Dick Johnson on Mon Feb 9, 2009 at 02.01 pm
#6
Oh yeah, and when your hard-earned, 10-hours-straight-without-a-break, no-insurance, no-benefits salary gets stolen from you by your employers, I’m sure you won’t be “angry” about it at all.
Posted by: Captain Kangaroo Feb 9 2009, 03:37 PM
I was just about to say you guys should see the comments!
It pisses me off if people say that we are the angry ones, because I know for a fact that the discussions here are the most intelligent that I have ever seen. The fact that we all have to be approved to be members also means that everyone here knows what they are talking about, and not just bullshitting around.
I would bet those comments are from those gawker writers. That article makes them look so bad and unprofessional, which they obviously are.
Posted by: omnipresent Feb 9 2009, 03:55 PM
This is seriously starting to make me not like Gawker very much anymore. Abbe, I was thinking about commenting in that thread, but I was afraid that they might also ban me. I agree that alot of the posters there can be very cruel, but I still get along with a few, so I didn't want to lose track of the ones that I'm following thru my profile page.
I did send them an email tho, and I sent you a cc of it. What I find so amazing is how petty they are being about it. They should just realize that what they did was wrong, and all they have to do is re-instate your user name. If they banned you on the grounds of not wanting a kerfuffle, then that would mean that they would have to ban half their commenters!
The thing about Josh and Emily is so obvious and pathetic. The worse part of it all is that I'm sure that none of them have ever read your book, but they keep insisting on how nuts you are! They should be so ashamed of themselves.
Abbe, I know it doesn't help much, but when people call other people crazy or nuts, it's because they have nothing better to say. It just goes to show how limited they are in intelligence.
Posted by: omnipresent Feb 9 2009, 04:20 PM
Then again I guess he has to pick his friends where he can find them even if they are just loser morons.
Yeah, that part of it was just gross. I don't usually read his articles, but I read this one, and I don't get what the big deal is. His writing isn't that good at all.
Posted by: omnipresent Feb 9 2009, 04:23 PM
Gawker seems to be getting better in that they're not as mean as they used to be. Joshua Stein isn't a regualr writer there. Gabriel doesn't write that much there either, so I don't get why he would do this. I don't even see Abbe comment that much, but I have definitely seen much worse from other posters there.
Posted by: virgo Feb 10 2009, 12:33 PM
You're an asshole. Period. Not sure how else I can explain that. Sometimes when food gets spit in, it doesn't make much sense to those whose food gets spit in. Sorry about that.
This is what they look like:
Gabriel Snyder
Josuha David Stein
this just goes to show how ridiculous gawker is. these guys are not in the cool rest's, or the hot clubs, or the good parties or on the good guestlists. i've never seen them where i work or anywhere i go when i'm out. their names aren't px and no one gives a shit about them.
it's funny how gawker acts so haughty and arrogant, when in reality they're nobodies that make less money than busboys. this is why they have to put down other people, to make themselves feel better about themselves and their boring jobs. they have to rag on someone like abbe because they're pissed that she does so well at writing which is only like a side job to her. writing is the only thing they know how to do, and they don't even do it that well.
just be thankful that they stay in brooklyn at their dive bars and apt gatherings where they belong.
Posted by: virgo Feb 10 2009, 12:41 PM
It pisses me off if people say that we are the angry ones, because I know for a fact that the discussions here are the most intelligent that I have ever seen. The fact that we all have to be approved to be members also means that everyone here knows what they are talking about, and not just bullshitting around.
I would bet those comments are from those gawker writers. That article makes them look so bad and unprofessional, which they obviously are.
are they really that stupid that they think that we can't tell? they keep calling abbe crazy for talking about something that happened to her, when obvs spending all that time commenting about abbe talking about what happened to her is 10x crazier. get a life, douchebags.
and yea it's funny how they call us the angry ones, when i've never seen anyone here bitch about a bad tip or nasty customers. the only thing that we've gotten supposedly angry about is owners stealing tips and the press being so biased and moronic. and yea that includes gawker.
these guys are seriously retarded.
Posted by: abbe Feb 10 2009, 01:51 PM
oh my gawd.
check it--
i just found this:
Didn't "Sheila, you should be fired," start with Emily Gould? Or do you have a place in the creation myth that I snoozed through in sixth grade history? Or are you Emily Gould (clanging noise)?
http://gawker.com/people/karion/messages/
remember this ---> http://www.pxthis.com/FORUMarchives/GawkerLosesIgnorasshole.htm#karion
IS "KARION" EMILY GOULD ?!
Posted by: abbe Feb 10 2009, 01:55 PM
http://gawker.com/people/karion/
her "followers" include nick-denton, owen-thomas, and alex-carnevale [all work (or have worked) for Gawker]. there's a message from ian-spiegelman to her too.
and uh yah-- let's face it, this chick is not THAT good a commenter. she's not funny, witty, or insightful. seriously, go ahead and read all the comments she's ever made---> http://gawker.com/people/karion/
hahhahahahh hahHAHHAHAHAHAH AHHAHAH hahhahahaha
oh man. that would just be CLASSIC.
Posted by: abbe Feb 10 2009, 01:57 PM
i just checked all the messages for "Multiphasic" ---> http://gawker.com/people/Multiphasic/
THERE'S NO ANSWER TO HER QUESTION FROM "KARION."
hhahahhahahah ahahahh HHAHHAHAHAHAA hahhaha oh my lord.
Posted by: omnipresent Feb 10 2009, 04:39 PM
Ok, I posted my comments on Blackbook. http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/diaz-vs-gawker-round-2/6273
Sorry I sounded kind of dumb, but for some reason Blackbook kept cutting out my browser, so I was trying to type as fast as I could. That's why I even gave up on the shift key. I hope I didn't just make you look worse.
Posted by: omnipresent Feb 10 2009, 04:41 PM
check it--
i just found this:
remember this ---> http://pxthis.invisionzone.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=288&view=findpost&p=7420
IS "KARION" EMILY GOULD ?!
That would be seriously twisted.
Posted by: abbe Feb 11 2009, 11:11 AM
well i just asked DBTH to ask Joshua David Stein directly. maybe he can call his ex-girlfriend and we can get this whole mystery solved.
i must say-- THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.
http://www.downbythehipster.com/blog/2009/2/11/allen-and-delancey-draws-them-in.html
can you do us a favor ? i know Joshua David Stein is your Best Boyfriend Forever, so can you ask him if the "Karion" troll she-idiot on Gawker is REALLY the ex-coworker he had sex with and then wrote about for Page Six Magazine ??
seriously: WE'RE JUST DYING TO KNOW.
http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/diaz-vs-gawker-round-2/6273
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 11 2009, 11:46 AM
To #6 (aka Josh):
I’m so glad that Abbe isn’t too busy to tell the story of how you dissed her to impress the co-worker you were having sex with, which you then later bragged about (on Page Six) after she dumped you.
And that almost a year later, you’re still so scared of Abbe that you have to ban her from Gawker, because she makes you wet your pants.
And now to find out that Karion the troll is probably your scorned ex-lover!?
This is better than Gossip Girl!
http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/diaz-vs-gawker-round-2/6273
Posted by: swee Feb 18 2009, 02:29 PM
It's clear I'm late to the party on this one, but given Gawker's M.O. and general content, you can be sure that if they didn't address the Blackbook interview, it's because they are well aware how laughable and preposterous they look (if it's any consolation).
Posted by: swee Feb 18 2009, 02:36 PM
i don't even have to comment further on this latest response from gabriel-snyder.
seriously, read his first e-mail again, and then read this latest one.
it pretty much tells you everything about his character you need to know.
From what I gather, Denton doesn't have much of a pool to draw his managers from, given Gawker's reputation and pay scale. Plus, given its current audience (i.e, the commenters), it seems like quite the perfect fit.
Posted by: omnipresent Apr 9 2009, 01:23 PM
Has anyone noticed lately how much attention Gawker has been paying to the restaurant world? Just this past week alone, they posted about Waverly Inn, Monkey Bar and Beatrice Inn, plus there was also a post about the rest'nt owners that are saying that they lost money to Bernie Madoff. There was also a post about Julia Allison's boyfriend going to NY Mag.
First of all, in comparison to the information here, Gawker just sounds so stupid. And the comments are even worse. Who are these people? Obviously, most of them never go out, or they don't even live in NY!
What I don't understand is how they can be so jealous and self-absorbed that they would rather embarrass themselves than make use of a good connection and commenter like Abbe. Whenever they talk about NY nightlife, they make themselves look like clueless tourists from the Midwest.
It's really getting pathetic, Gawker.
Posted by: virgo Apr 9 2009, 04:12 PM
First of all, in comparison to the information here, Gawker just sounds so stupid. And the comments are even worse. Who are these people? Obviously, most of them never go out, or they don't even live in NY!
What I don't understand is how they can be so jealous and self-absorbed that they would rather embarrass themselves than make use of a good connection and commenter like Abbe. Whenever they talk about NY nightlife, they make themselves look like clueless tourists from the Midwest.
It's really getting pathetic, Gawker.
no one i know reads gawker. if it wasn't for this forum, alot of people in the industry prob wouldn't even know that gawker exists. they have to look at beater bc they want to check what those assholes are saying about them or their friends, but for the most part they don't give a shit about blogs. for alot of places, it's even better if the blogs like yelp or whatever say bad things bc it ends up keeping the losers away.
that's how gawker can get away with posting lame shit. bc their audience is so dumb, all the dining knowledge they have comes from watching top chef. if they had a writer that wrote about cool places, those places wouldn't be cool for very long.
like for example, the only reason that la esquina is still so busy and cool is bc the loser blog readers can't get in to save their lives.
Posted by: abbe Apr 16 2009, 01:06 PM
does anybody know this girl by any chance ? wait-- maybe don't answer that (read the item first). or answer via PM.
http://gawker.com/5214573/kari-ferrell-hipster-grifter-the-illustrated-life
i think it's pretty funny how none of the "tipsters" who've had run ins with this girl seem to be from the F&B/nightlife industry.
NONE. NOT ONE.
whatever
i liked her when i met her (even though the two other bitches at the table didn't)--
i think i like her even more now.
Posted by: abbe Apr 16 2009, 01:09 PM
oh ha ! look at that--
their audience is so dumb, all the dining knowledge they have comes from watching top chef.
NONE. NOT ONE.
that's pretty funny.
Posted by: abbe Apr 16 2009, 01:32 PM
oh by the way--
the funniest part ? (you'd see it if you read through the comments. but don't bother)
is when richard-lawson bitches about how innocent people supposedly got screwed over by this girl-- "when all they did was be kind to her"
hhahahahaa HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA aaaah hahahaaa ahem sorry
that just struck me as pretty absurd. ya know-- coming out of GAWKER and all.
Posted by: BS Detector Apr 17 2009, 01:27 PM
http://gawker.com/5214573/kari-ferrell-hipster-grifter-the-illustrated-life
Someone should email Gawker and let them know that she's a cocktail waitress at El Bano. Matter of fact, she works Friday nights so if they act fast they can nab her.
Posted by: swee Apr 30 2009, 12:10 PM
You’ve Got (Hate) Mail: The Curious Case of Keith Gessen and Emily Gould
http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2009/04/online-wars200904?printable=true¤tPage=all
Warning: Nausea and/or Vomit Inducing
Posted by: Dick Johnson Apr 30 2009, 12:21 PM
The trick to combatting that nausea is to refrain from ever reading Vanity Fair. Try it - it works!
Posted by: swee May 27 2009, 01:48 PM
You've got to take a gander at this.
http://gawker.com/5270707/about-that-vampire-blog-thing?t=13088111#c13088111
Now that's classic.
Posted by: Captain Kangaroo Jul 7 2009, 01:22 PM
Was at a family BBQ this weekend, and guess who came up in conversation. Just met this guy for the first time, he's the best friend of my friend's son. When he found out where I work, he asked if I ever heard of PX this! He's in finance and not in the industry, so I asked him how he found about it, and he said through Gawker! I told him I don't read Gawker, and he told me that he couldn't remember exactly, but there was some big ruckus and he followed a link here, and he thought it was really funny and he loves that it's so insider. He also said that he never believes the bad comments, because it sounds like they are all from a jilted lover.
Just thought you'd like to know, Abbe!
Posted by: swee Jul 9 2009, 01:29 PM
You've got to take a gander at this now.
http://gawker.com/5311027/gawker-comments-are-made-of-stars
"perceptions of Gawker are set by a small group of glib and bitchy commenters."
"the most pernicious comments don't come from trolls or spammers. Those can be easily identified and barred. What ruins a good discussion is what we could call the chatty commenter. They may be a devoted reader, someone we don't have the heart to ban. But they only occasionally contribute something to the sum of human knowledge. And the chatty commenters — because there are so many of them — set the tone. Their presence puts off the subjects of items — or other people with something interesting to say."
"4. THE FUTURE
* Rebuttal rights for the subject of an article
* Commenters able to call on friends or colleagues for support in an online discussion"
Did Gawker just grow a conscience and cognizance, or have they simply taken their extraordinary hypocrisy to the the next level?
Posted by: omnipresent Jul 9 2009, 05:45 PM
Definitely the latter. Oh please, that new system has Epic Fail written all over it.
The funniest part is when they say that the starred commenters are the most "trustworthy" but what they really mean is the most brown-nosey. They say that they want to put a lid on the chatty commenters, but all the starred commenters with the most power are the chattiest of them all! Just in that thread alone you can see how they are already promoting and responding to all their own friends.
And the fact that you can't comment about Gawker is such BS.Whatevs, I don't read the comments as much as I used to anyway, so now this might be a good excuse to not bother reading them at all. Have you ever read The Awl, Swee? It's by former Gawker editors, and alot of the good old Gawker commenters are there now.
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jul 10 2009, 12:49 PM
The funniest part is when they say that the starred commenters are the most "trustworthy" but what they really mean is the most brown-nosey. They say that they want to put a lid on the chatty commenters, but all the starred commenters with the most power are the chattiest of them all! Just in that thread alone you can see how they are already promoting and responding to all their own friends. And the fact that you can't comment about Gawker is such BS.
Whatevs, I don't read the comments as much as I used to anyway, so now this might be a good excuse to not bother reading them at all. Have you ever read The Awl, Swee? It's by former Gawker editors, and alot of the good old Gawker commenters are there now.
i've never been a gawker commenter but i do read the comments alot. & the new system is confusing!
i also don't get why they are always so full of themselves. Posted by: abbe Jul 10 2009, 01:45 PM
umm yah. okay seriously ?
i don't get it. what's with the bold and the grey ? so-- it seems like bold comments are "the chosen ones" and the greys are the riffraff ? but then how come it looks like some comments are bold without stars and other comments are grey WITH stars ??
ahhahahaa okay not like i actually give a shit cuz gawd knows it doesn't affect me. but this really just makes no sense to me at all.
i mean
it's bad enough (i would think) a lot of potential (possibly good) commenters are put off by the comment "audition" process. seriously, who the hell wants to spend a whole mess of time thinking of and typing up a decent comment, just to have it likely NOT make it unto the page in the first place ? wouldn't you think any 'cool' peoples would already have much better things to do with their energy ?
no joke-- the only reason i even became a commenter there at all is cuz somebody just gave me their handle. i mean really now-- i don't even go out to clubs anymore unless i have peeps there and know for a fact i won't be wasting my time. and i know i aint the only one.
so basically gawker's "velvet rope" system is just like that. eventually the only peoples in the club are the ones who waited for hours on line like dorks until pity was taken upon them (to get their cash)
helloooo bridges and tunnels. hhahahahahaaa those are also the very same peoples that, once inside, spend the whole time looking like fools, acting stupid, and screaming "wooooooooooo!!!!!!" all night long.
and then the next day they tell all their friends how "awesome duuuuuude!!11!" it was.
anyways i digress
my point was:
so okay now the "regular" commenters that have auditioned for handles don't even get to have their comments show up unless the reader is zealous enough to know they're supposed to click the "see all comments" button at the bottom ?? so basically they're auditioning (to be noticed by the star commenters) all over again ?? but this time for EVERY COMMENT ??
wow that's wack. oh wait no i'm sorry-- it was already wack before. this whole new comment star power thingie is HELLA WACK.
HOW is all this supposed to encourage better more insightful comments ?
fucking freaks.
Posted by: MILFweed Jul 10 2009, 01:53 PM
i don't get it. what's with the bold and the grey ? so-- it seems like bold comments are "the chosen ones" and the greys are the riffraff ? but then how come it looks like some comments are bold without stars and other comments are grey WITH stars ??
ahhahahaa okay not like i actually give a shit cuz gawd knows it doesn't affect me. but this really just makes no sense to me at all.
i mean
it's bad enough (i would think) a lot of potential (possibly good) commenters are put off by the comment "audition" process. seriously, who the hell wants to spend a whole mess of time thinking of and typing up a decent comment, just to have it likely NOT make it unto the page in the first place ? wouldn't you think any 'cool' peoples would already have much better things to do with their energy ?
no joke-- the only reason i even became a commenter there at all is cuz somebody just gave me their handle. i mean really now-- i don't even go out to clubs anymore unless i have peeps there and know for a fact i won't be wasting my time. and i know i aint the only one.
so basically gawker's "velvet rope" system is just like that. eventually the only peoples in the club are the ones who waited for hours on line like dorks until pity was taken upon them (to get their cash)
helloooo bridges and tunnels. hhahahahahaaa those are also the very same peoples that, once inside, spend the whole time looking like fools, acting stupid, and screaming "wooooooooooo!!!!!!" all night long.
and then the next day they tell all their friends how "awesome duuuuuude!!11!" it was.
anyways i digress
my point was:
so okay now the "regular" commenters that have auditioned for handles don't even get to have their comments show up unless the reader is zealous enough to know they're supposed to click the "see all comments" button at the bottom ?? so basically they're auditioning (to be noticed by the star commenters) all over again ?? but this time for EVERY COMMENT ??
wow that's wack. oh wait no i'm sorry-- it was already wack before. this whole new comment star power thingie is HELLA WACK.
Great analogy.
Posted by: abbe Jul 10 2009, 01:53 PM
thanks ! i think so.
eeheee yah the whole "VIP room" analogy of theirs just makes me think they haven't spent all that much time in cool clubs either.
oh right aha ha haaa we already established that.
Posted by: MILFweed Jul 10 2009, 01:56 PM
http://gawker.com/5311027/gawker-comments-are-made-of-stars
"perceptions of Gawker are set by a small group of glib and bitchy commenters."
"the most pernicious comments don't come from trolls or spammers. Those can be easily identified and barred. What ruins a good discussion is what we could call the chatty commenter. They may be a devoted reader, someone we don't have the heart to ban. But they only occasionally contribute something to the sum of human knowledge. And the chatty commenters — because there are so many of them — set the tone. Their presence puts off the subjects of items — or other people with something interesting to say."
"4. THE FUTURE
* Rebuttal rights for the subject of an article
* Commenters able to call on friends or colleagues for support in an online discussion"
Did Gawker just grow a conscience and cognizance, or have they simply taken their extraordinary hypocrisy to the the next level?
So Gawker blacklists Abbe and then revises it's whole system to supposedly accommodate someone just like Abbe? Yeah that makes sense. If they just happen to be racist against Asian women.
Posted by: abbe Jul 10 2009, 02:00 PM
hhahahahhaa, word! THANK YOU
Posted by: Feed Me Jul 10 2009, 03:11 PM
The comments at Gawker have been sucking for awhile now, so it's good in a way that they are trying to fix it, but it doesn't seem to be working that well so far.
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jul 15 2009, 11:29 AM
Gabriel Snyder
07/14/09
@march_of_folly: Consider this a yellow light, then.
One of the things I said when we introduced the new comments was that too much of the site's tone has been set by the commenters. What I meant is that I completely reject this notion of every Gawker post as chum being tossed into a snark tank.
So while it's easy to tell the writers to tone things down, it's harder to get all the commenters to follow suit. The new system, and the aggressive unstarring is the best we know of to get people to follow along.
Expectations are always going to be subjective -- being smart, witty, on-topic and informative -- and largely we'll be setting the tone by promoting those comments we like and demoting the ones we don't.
http://gawker.com/5314284/dash-snow-downtown-artist-said-to-be-dead-of-overdose?t=14220120
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jul 15 2009, 11:32 AM
07/14/09
@march_of_folly:Consider this a yellow light, then.
One of the things I said when we introduced the new comments was that too much of the site's tone has been set by the commenters. What I meant is that I completely reject this notion of every Gawker post as chum being tossed into a snark tank.
So while it's easy to tell the writers to tone things down, it's harder to get all the commenters to follow suit. The new system, and the aggressive unstarring is the best we know of to get people to follow along.
Expectations are always going to be subjective -- being smart, witty, on-topic and informative -- and largely we'll be setting the tone by promoting those comments we like and demoting the ones we don't.
http://gawker.com/5314284/dash-snow-downtown-artist-said-to-be-dead-of-overdose?t=14220120
i don't normally like to curse when i comment, but even i want to tell gabriel snyder to suck a dick, hypocrite!
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jul 15 2009, 11:44 AM
TruthBeTold
07/14/09
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@Hamilton Nolan: While it is understandable that you would feel defensive of one you admired. It is however a bit hypocritical to act morally outraged at the loss of human life. When it is in fact on a regular basis mocked and trivialized on this site. I need not provide examples as they are self evident to anyone remotely familiar with this site. So while it is tragic in the sense of those he left behind. It is not exactly shocking or more worthy of respect and deference. Simply because you personally feel it should be. If we are to suddenly be respectful and cling to social norms that are now personally useful. Then there should at least be an acknowledgment of the asshole factor that rules the day as matter of course on this site. His loss is no more tragic or worthy of respect then the nameless people who die in amusing ways to your point of view. Or the major names more popularly scorned.
march_of_folly
07/14/09
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@Hamilton Nolan: This was an obit for the scion of a wealthy family who had a Saddam Hussein tattoo and specialized in semen-based art -- someone who Gawker had repeatedly covered for page views, larfs and snark in the past (see previous posts). I think some of the grave-pissing in the comments is unfortunate and unseemly, but your admonishment is at odds with your previous coverage of his work and with the tone of the site generally.
march_of_folly
07/14/09
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@Gabriel Snyder: Context does matter. But I think that once you greenlight snark, it's hard to make it go away. The tone of the chocolate factory worker death post may not have been mocking in and of itself, but Hamilton must have had a good sense of what kind of response it was going to get in the comments, and that sets a precedent of expectations.
As far as I can tell, you didn't intervene in the comments in that post, and that sends a message of what's acceptable.There's no reason one would expect different treatment of this obit, and the only reason you're responding differently to commenters' reactions seems to be the fact that he was an artist (possibly a friend), and not a regular Joe factory worker. As a regular reader and very occassional commenter, I think this might be a good opportunity to rethink your policy and expectations for comments, and what kind of tone you want the site to have.
gticlutchburn
07/14/09
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@Gabriel Snyder: Gabe, when the hole you're in keeps getting deeper, don't grab another shovel. Either it's ok to be a snarky asshole about everything, or it's ok to be a snarky asshole about nothing. Whether or not the person was a friend of the site, or some guy who drowned in a vat of chocolate should not matter. It's either all in bounds or nothing is.
HiredGoons
07/14/09
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@Spirit Fingers:
I would also point out the promotion of Jasper Reardon for this:
"I didn't know that guy, so I don't have much to say about what kind of a person he was. I also didn't post any comments making fun of him dying. "
A fine statement, but other than 'towing the party line' with regards to this argument, I don't see what is particular stellar about it - the politics of this decision making is fairly blatant.
MissNormaDesmond
07/14/09
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@Gabriel Snyder: So you're trying to say that this was merely a helpful suggestion to his loved ones, in case they hadn't fully considered all their available options? Do you honestly think one of them would have read it and thought, "How helpful!" Come on. It was making light of his death. It's fine to say now that upon reflection you're not happy about it, but trying to pretend the tone of the post itself wasn't facetious is disingenuous.
http://gawker.com/5314284/dash-snow-downtown-artist-said-to-be-dead-of-overdose?t=14220120
Posted by: abbe Jul 15 2009, 04:47 PM
ha ha ha aha ha haa i completely forgot to mention i saw gabriel-snyder at dinner the other night HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
at some kind of going away get-together "dinner" or some shit for paula-froelich. there were like a dozen media peeples there.
but sorry if you want to hear alls about it and know what these super duper awesome media "elites" were wearing and eating and drinking and discussing really loudly at the table right behind me, then you will have to wait for the pxthis.com (re-re-re-re-re-re you get the picture) re-launch coming up in a couple months or so.
please by all means stay tuned cuz it was all SO FUCKING FAAAAASCINATING .
Posted by: omnipresent Jul 23 2009, 01:43 PM
at some kind of going away get-together "dinner" or some shit for paula-froelich. there were like a dozen media peeples there.
but sorry if you want to hear alls about it and know what these super duper awesome media "elites" were wearing and eating and drinking and discussing really loudly at the table right behind me, then you will have to wait for the pxthis.com (re-re-re-re-re-re you get the picture) re-launch coming up in a couple months or so.
please by all means stay tuned cuz it was all SO FUCKING FAAAAASCINATING.
Looking forward to it!
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jul 23 2009, 06:05 PM
at some kind of going away get-together "dinner" or some shit for paula-froelich. there were like a dozen media peeples there.
but sorry if you want to hear alls about it and know what these super duper awesome media "elites" were wearing and eating and drinking and discussing really loudly at the table right behind me, then you will have to wait for the pxthis.com (re-re-re-re-re-re you get the picture) re-launch coming up in a couple months or so.
please by all means stay tuned cuz it was all SO FUCKING FAAAAASCINATING .
On the day Froelich announced her departure, she convened an after-work drinking session in the West Village with Johnson sitting by her side literally making kissy faces. (Pictured above, from left to right: Corynne Steindler, Johnson, Froelich).
ninety_nine
04:50 PM
Dude, you were there! Why didn't you just dig deeper then?
ninety_nine was starred ninety_nine was unstarred
Image of Gabriel Snyder Gabriel Snyder
05:02 PM
Gabriel Snyder
05:02 PM
@ninety_nine: I went hoping to suss it out. Instead got mutual kissy face. (Fun fact: in the picture, they're all using Julia Allison's technique of saying "prune" to get that facial expression.)
http://gawker.com/5321424/why-did-paula-froelich-leave-page-six
is it a coincidence that gabriel snyder wrote this on gawker today just a couple of hours later?
Posted by: Dick Johnson Jul 24 2009, 01:50 PM
LOL. Trying to take a little wind out of the sails? What a surprise.
Obviously, I would still rather read Abbe's version of the story - all day, every day.
Posted by: swee Oct 15 2009, 01:51 PM
Does anyone here actually still bother to read Gawker? If so, you may enjoy the account of their latest foray into online retardation. http://gawker.com/5382267/anarchy-in-the-machine-welcome-to-gawkers-open-forums
From what I can glean, I think it works something like this:
#cangawkergetanyfuckingstupider?
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 17 2010, 01:47 PM
I know this was posted already, but it definitely belongs here, too.
http://www.pxthis.com/2010/02/eew-thats-gabriel-snyder-update/
Buh bye, asshole!
Posted by: Trollai Llama Feb 17 2010, 01:51 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/02/gawker_staff_mystified_by_city.html#comments
Also just wanted to copy this great comment from NY Mag, since we do know how comments that disagree with NY Mag's fawning, incessant circle-jerk have a tendency to disappear.
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