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Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 11 2008, 02:07 PMThe expansion continues..............no cusine is safehttp://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/08/jean_georges_is_a_partner_in.html JG hotdog vendors are already being interviewed!! I LOVE THIS TOWN!!! |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 11 2008, 04:30 PM"J's Papaya" serves two fois gras dogs and organic papaya juice infuzed with kafir lime for $20.08 |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 11 2008, 04:54 PMGood one!! |
Posted by: Inkslinger Aug 12 2008, 11:36 AMJG gyros! |
Posted by: Dishwasher Aug 12 2008, 02:20 PMHonestly I'm not sure how this makes sense. I know Jim and he's a simple guy that doesn't seem like he would want to bank on the JG brand hype. It also doesn't seem to make sense for JG to dilute the brand any further. Pizza? So was it all about money?? Which one was hurting for cash more?? |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 12 2008, 04:15 PMI'm pretty sure J fucking G isn't hurting for money. |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 12 2008, 06:08 PMNow I have heard everything......................the power of the machine!!!!http://eater.com/archives/2008/08/brunibbetting_matsugen.php#comment-164325 4 STARS, YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS...............SOUNDS FISHY TO ME!!! I have seen this ploy before.........be outragoius and say 4 stars so you get 3..............old trick Frank, don't fall for it. |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 12 2008, 09:55 PMI'll comment here b/c I'm scared of the scoundrels on Eater now. ....Anyways, I think it deserves three...not compared to 4 but really, three. |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Aug 13 2008, 05:35 AMQUOTE (ChefWife @ Aug 12 2008, 09:55 PM) LOL. Eater betting on what Bruni thinks about restaurants is about the equivalent of Beavis and Butthead betting on who Tara Reid thinks is going to win the World Cup. |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Aug 13 2008, 05:46 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Aug 11 2008, 02:07 PM) OK, I never worked for that retarded company, so I don't know anything more about JG than what I read in Abbsterpiece's book, what I hear from industry friends that have worked for him and what I've surmised on my own from his asinine behavior, but I would think that it's obvious that whatever 'midtown hotel' the steakhouse is going in would either have to be a W or a Meridien or some other Starwood. Otherwise, Starwood has got to be the dumbest contract-makers on the planet. Am I wrong? MoneyGuy, help me out here. |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 13 2008, 11:23 AMYou are probably correct, it most likely would be a Starwood property. |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 14 2008, 12:03 PMCongrats to the Masterhttp://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/08/jean_georges_basks_briefly_in_soba_glow.html Just goes to show how recession proof fine dining really is.....................Let's just hope those Japanese chefs stay in NYC Word is they may go back? I LOVE THIS TOWN!!! |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Aug 15 2008, 02:52 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Aug 13 2008, 11:23 AM) Amanda Hesser is such a trendsetter! LOL. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Aug 15 2008, 10:53 AMQUOTE (ChefWife @ Aug 12 2008, 04:15 PM)
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Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 15 2008, 02:58 PM1 Comment: REGARDING LAHEAY PIZZA DEALQUOTE This is so exciting. Jean Georges is my hero. Not only is his own cuisine incredible, he is an amazing restaurateur. He and his gang are like the Superfriends of food. THAT'S IT................NOW I HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING!!!! |
Posted by: mss Aug 15 2008, 05:58 PMlet's face it, pizza is a safe bet in this economic climate. plus, it just begs to be rolled out, no? you make a lot on mass market, volume, etc.plus it's always more fun to do new concepts, open new places, etc. than stay in the kitchen and cook. |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 15 2008, 09:11 PMQUOTE (Dishwasher @ Aug 15 2008, 10:53 AM) Hey hey there lady, calm down! I meant a little sarcasm there, Lahey isn't hurting for mony either. But I don't mean that needing money is all about not having any, but sometimes it's about greed. This deal is wierd since Sullivan closed it's retail space because it was too much to run both the retail and wholesale ops at the same time. And I'm surprised that Lahey would want to open a new one in this current market. I don't think JG is opening a pizza place with Lahey. It seems more of a loan type of deal than anything with the JG brand on it. JG won't go the way of Rocco. Rocco wasn't that good to begin with. But you are right about dilution, it's just not happening here-at least not now. |
Posted by: whats anorexia? Aug 18 2008, 11:26 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Aug 15 2008, 02:58 PM) 1 Comment: REGARDING LAHEAY PIZZA DEAL how come beater doesn't call this one a shill when it's so obvious, but when it's a good comment about a place they hate, they immediately say it's a shill? i never worked in rest's, but even i can tell from abbe's book that jg's & his gang aren't like superheroes. what was the name of the rival gang that the superfriends always fought again? that would be a more appropriate name & px is like the superfriends. |
Posted by: Staff Meal Aug 20 2008, 04:06 PMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Aug 14 2008, 12:03 PM) adam platt trashes matsugen. 1 star. http://nymag.com/restaurants/reviews/49271/ |
Posted by: whats anorexia? Aug 20 2008, 04:14 PMQUOTE (Staff Meal @ Aug 20 2008, 04:06 PM)
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Posted by: Inkslinger Aug 20 2008, 06:13 PMQUOTE (whats anorexia? @ Aug 20 2008, 04:14 PM) did any of you guys see this? |
Posted by: virgo Aug 21 2008, 11:53 AM
for a website that always tries to discredit the workers of the industry they're supposed to be reporting on, they sure have their noses all up in our business constantly. |
Posted by: abbe Aug 21 2008, 12:09 PMQUOTE (whats anorexia? @ Aug 18 2008, 11:26 AM) LEGION OF DOOM haahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaaa ahahahaHAHAHAHAHahahahaa awesome. |
Posted by: abbe Aug 25 2008, 03:10 PMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Aug 13 2008, 11:23 AM) |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 25 2008, 10:53 PM
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Posted by: abbe Aug 26 2008, 10:23 AMme! |
Posted by: abbe Aug 26 2008, 10:27 AMoh yah |
Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Aug 26 2008, 05:34 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Aug 26 2008, 10:27 AM) and then everybody will just discount my completely valid and true opinion despite NOT having been to istanbul THEMSELVES to try it Oh snap!!!!!! |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 26 2008, 10:05 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Aug 26 2008, 10:23 AM) |
Posted by: john.smith Aug 27 2008, 02:23 PMhey there cutewife..........are you still sure there's no backlash for jg overexposure......... http://www.nypost.com/seven/08272008/entertainment/food/ex_cuozzo_me__126247.htm?page=2 http://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/08/steve_cuozzo_is_mad_as_hell_an.html#comment-list |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 27 2008, 08:54 PMbacklash for jg overexposure? yeah, there's always going to be bad press for overexposure or what people perceive as overexposure. I don't think overexposed the right word. David Chang=overexposed. Not JG, maybe you're thinking overworked or spread too thin? Anyways, those articles complained of a complicated (b/c its pretty much in Japanese) menu. |
Posted by: virgo Aug 28 2008, 01:00 PMyea but chang would never have gotten to this point if jean georges didn't lead the way first. in the 90's jg was exactly where chang is now. so jg is so past overexposed that he is more like david hasslelhoff. here in the USA we don't care anymore, so it's the right time for foreign markets. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Aug 28 2008, 02:42 PMThat's an interesting way of putting it. |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 28 2008, 10:45 PMQUOTE (virgo @ Aug 28 2008, 01:00 PM) i have to disagreee. in the 90s there was nothing like there is today as far as media saturation of the restaurant business. as popular as JG was way back when, no one ever freaked like they're freaking now for Chang. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Aug 29 2008, 03:47 PMWell sorry Mrs. Chefwife, I understand that you have a vested interest in this argument, but that is just plain not true and basically a little naive. I don't know your age but I would bet I am quite older and I was def around in the 1990's when JG was at his height of fame. The fact is it was even worse back then because the internet didn't exist, and the press was only one-sided. People were flat out dictated to what they should like and where they should go out to eat and the public didn't have any say at all the way they do now like on the blogs. On top of all that, add in that Chang is basically a lucky guy that got in good with the right press people, and even that can prob be traced back to his first catered dinner at Martha Stewart's. JG on the other hand invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in PR, and not to say that's a bad thing esp since it did pay off. |
Posted by: ChefWife Aug 29 2008, 04:52 PM
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Posted by: whats anorexia? Sep 2 2008, 01:35 PMyes you are, chefwife! i love the back & forth between you guys. it's so interesting! & i love how all you guys can make opposing points & not get all nasty & disgusting like stupid eater. you all make sense & you are all so intelligent. someone like me would never know any of this valuable info without people like you guys! |
Posted by: ChefWife Sep 2 2008, 06:33 PMyeah talking on eater is like talking to a drunk person/brink wall...no one is listening. its not like that stops me. in both situations. |
Posted by: mss Sep 3 2008, 09:48 PMQUOTE (ChefWife @ Aug 28 2008, 10:45 PM) there were fewer outlets - but also fewer chefs to freak for. JG OWNED the media in the mid- to late 90s. he was the first chef profiled on 60 Minutes - Chang's Charlie Rose interview does not come close to how ground-breaking that was. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Sep 3 2008, 01:02 PMQUOTE (ChefWife @ Sep 2 2008, 06:33 PM) I'm listening, Mrs. Chefwife! Would I be responding if I wasn't listening?? |
Posted by: ChefWife Sep 4 2008, 09:27 PMmaybe you were listening, but i didnt feel heard. |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 8 2008, 09:27 AMQUOTE (mss @ Sep 3 2008, 09:48 PM) there were fewer outlets - but also fewer chefs to freak for. JG OWNED the media in the mid- to late 90s. he was the first chef profiled on 60 Minutes - Chang's Charlie Rose interview does not come close to how ground-breaking that was. A pioneer perhaps. (Nice dialog here. Very interesting.) |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 10 2008, 11:40 AMJG Invades Canada Yes folks you heard it here firstThe Wackey Bunch News: JG does Disney!!!....................Spice Market the ride!!!.............Its a small world after all |
Posted by: Captain Kangaroo Sep 4 2008, 03:14 PMQUOTE (mss @ Sep 3 2008, 09:48 PM) there were fewer outlets - but also fewer chefs to freak for. JG OWNED the media in the mid- to late 90s. he was the first chef profiled on 60 Minutes - Chang's Charlie Rose interview does not come close to how ground-breaking that was. True. Damn I feel old! |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 11 2008, 11:45 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Sep 10 2008, 11:40 AM)
Note the use of the company name, and not the name of JG in that quote. No disrespect to Mrs. Cutewife, but doesn't that help signify that JG's name and image is already being diluted? |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 11 2008, 12:12 PMJean-Georges Vongerichten will open a restaurant, Market, early next year in the Shangri-La Hotel, but with JGV spread so thin, at least one local critic is adopting a wait-and-see attitude: "The value added of a Culinary Concept restaurant in our city shouldn't necessarily be taken as a given." (City Food via Grub St..) |
Posted by: ChefWife Sep 14 2008, 10:30 AMQUOTE (Inkslinger @ Sep 11 2008, 11:45 AM) Note the use of the company name, and not the name of JG in that quote. No disrespect to Mrs. Cutewife, but doesn't that help signify that JG's name and image is already being diluted? I have no idea, Slinger. Saying "Culinary Concepts" is a lot different than saying "JG is opening new Resto X". I mean Culinary Concepts refers specifically to a certain kind of resto by JG. At least I'm pretty sure. But yeah, there's not doubt that quoted person is not looking forward to it. How how would that be disrepecting me? Look, I heart JGV but I'm not losing sleep over his press/PR/drama/money/success/whatever. |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 17 2008, 09:15 PMhttp://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSN1731439420080917Chef settles New York suit over tips for $1.75 million Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:22pm EDT By Christine Kearney NEW YORK (Reuters) - Celebrity French chef Jean-Georges Vongerichten has agreed to settle a lawsuit over tips filed by waiters at his swank New York restaurants for $1.75 million, court papers say... The waiters claimed the restaurants deprived them of tips by sharing them with managers and not paying them for all hours worked. The lawsuit is one of the highest-profile cases in a spate of similar suits filed against New York restaurants in past years for cheating employees out of tips. ... Plaintiffs' lawyers said they could not comment on the settlement, and a lawyer for Vongerichten also declined comment. The settlement papers said all the restaurants denied wrongdoing and that they had complied with labor laws, but settled for a variety of reasons including the risk of the outcome of ligation... (Editing by Michelle Nichols and Eric Walsh) |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 18 2008, 12:02 PM
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Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 18 2008, 12:34 PMIs anyone here getting money back from this settlement????And who was the CFO or finance boss during those years involved???? |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 18 2008, 12:54 PMI heard the CFO would continually tell management the illegal nature of the tipping policy and was countermanded by the "THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT AND WE CANNOT CHANGE IT" |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 18 2008, 01:29 PMThat comment in caps sounds like it's coming from someone who doesn't want to bother the one boss with the illegal nature of the tipping policies... |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 18 2008, 02:04 PMPassion, |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 18 2008, 02:50 PMStep up or step aside! Christopher Titus... I always liked that one...
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1842430020080919?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0 |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 18 2008, 03:29 PMBetter................Full healthcare (non-contribution), Profit Sharing, 401k, (matching), 13 week paid training, doulble digit hourly wage or competitive salary with paid vacation ............you know, like a real company!!! |
Posted by: Dishwasher Sep 18 2008, 04:43 PMThat would be a healthy change, but is the industry ready for it is the question. Too many people profit alot from the way it is.. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 18 2008, 04:51 PMQUOTE (ihatebunnies @ Aug 4 2008, 11:17 PM) i heard the class action lawsuit was settled recently. can anyone confirm that?
http://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/09/jean-georges_vongerichten_leav.html |
Posted by: jo Sep 19 2008, 10:48 AMNow wouldn't it be nice if Joshua David Stein ate crow right now? He spends all his time denigrating the Cipriani's and Sacco's of the world, and complaining about "Top Chef," but couldn't care less about the plight of the employees.Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an apology or a retraction, or anything like that. |
Posted by: jo Sep 19 2008, 11:39 AMQUOTE (Inkslinger @ Sep 18 2008, 05:01 PM) That's pretty funny, that a whole day has gone by and there's no comment under that item, from within "Cuilinary Concepts"? I would have thought for sure they would want to say something about Abbe holding her "tired basket of sour grapes" and brag about how they don't care about the settlement, because they have $100M. |
Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Sep 19 2008, 02:57 PMMaybe the company finally got smart and unplugged Lois' computer from the internet!!!! |
Posted by: froggio Sep 22 2008, 11:15 AMQuestion: To be included in the JG lawsuit settlement, one must have worked between certain dates. Does anyone know what these dates are? I worked at JG from 1997 to 2003 in the foh as waiter and captain and I believe I'd qualify as far as the position is concerned, but are these dates that would qualify me to be part of the settlement? I got in touch with the law firm but it's going to take a while to get a response as we all know the wheels of justice turn at a glacial pace...Any more info on specific details to be included in this settlement is welcome. Please no hearsay or rumours. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 22 2008, 11:54 AMHi Froggio, QUOTE
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Posted by: Dishwasher Sep 23 2008, 11:07 AMThe complaint would have to be filed with DOL to get any due compensation anyway. |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 23 2008, 09:05 PMhttp://news.luxuryta.com/index.php/2008/08/05/oneonly-palmilla-chef-trotter-out-chef-vongerichten-in/ .............Mexicohttp://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/9/18/225258/009/hotels/CityCenter_s_Aria_Resort_Reveals_Hefty_Roster_of_Celeb_Chefs ...............Time Warner West!!! Attn: Wacky Bunch All new concepts should include rent-a-chef The Empire strikes back........................where is Disney? |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 24 2008, 12:03 PMOK, seriously, I don't give a shit about JG, but even I am getting sick of hearing about him. You shot your load, guy! Your image is past tarnished and is fast becoming rust. No one wants to hear about a greedy, living-large multi-millioniare who steals money from busboys. Get over yourself! Go away. Take all your stolen money and go buy an island and retire. You're getting old, anyway. |
Posted by: whats anorexia? Sep 24 2008, 12:19 PM"Mediahohoho looks like you're not the only one, dj! |
Posted by: MILFweed Sep 25 2008, 11:52 AMQUOTE (Inkslinger @ Sep 22 2008, 11:54 AM) Hi Froggio,
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Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 25 2008, 07:43 PMQUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Sep 24 2008, 12:03 PM) OK, seriously, I don't give a shit about JG, but even I am getting sick of hearing about him. You shot your load, guy! Your image is past tarnished and is fast becoming rust. No one wants to hear about a greedy, living-large multi-millioniare who steals money from busboys. Oh Really???? http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242008/gossip/pagesix/4_course_frenzy_130431.htm |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Sep 25 2008, 08:51 PMAhh.................I knew it was a matter of time!! |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 26 2008, 11:41 AMQUOTE (PassionFoodie @ Sep 25 2008, 07:43 PM) Oh Really???? Woooh, big fucking deal. The French president comes to the USA, and he wants a French chef cooking for him. (And yeah, I already heard about it, that's my point.) Hey, President Froggo, with the favorite Froggo chef. Here's a little newsflash for you - the big rumor all over the resto industry is that your boy is such a frog patriot, he married an American wackjob, just to get a green card. And that wackjob has pretty much done everything under the sun to run his great froggo empire into the ground. Too bad he's fucking stuck with her! How do you like them apples? Go ahead, JG fans - keep rubbing him all in our faces! You've made your points loud and clear, just like he has, over and over again. Well, now it's my turn. No more Mr. Nice Johnson. Keep it up, I'm not kidding. Yeah, zey both vunt to be zo prowwwd, oui oui, zo Francais! Stay in fucking France. |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 26 2008, 11:48 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Sep 25 2008, 08:51 PM) Perfect! Running around with Mickey Mouse, Goofy and the Wicked Witch of the West. Just where he belongs. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 26 2008, 12:00 PMQUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Sep 26 2008, 11:41 AM) Woooh, big fucking deal. The French president comes to the USA, and he wants a French chef cooking for him. (And yeah, I already heard about it, that's my point.)
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Posted by: abbe Sep 26 2008, 12:37 PMQUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Sep 26 2008, 11:41 AM) hahhahahahahhaaa godd damn! mmmreeeeeooOOOWWwwrrr uhhh yah -- key words, everybody: "BIG RUMOR" as in-- nobody here at pxthis is implying dick-johnson actually knows what the hells he is babbling about. he could be straight up batshit crazy posting from bellevue or whatever, for alls we know. i'm just sayin. |
Posted by: abbe Sep 26 2008, 12:46 PMQUOTE (Inkslinger @ Sep 26 2008, 12:00 PM) eehee ahhahahaa well we could always wait til the cease and desist letter comes, and then just post that up there instead. that could be fun. oh wait. who am i kidding ? we're certainly not big or important enough to warrant any such thing. after all, we are NOTHING. NOBODY READS US. WE'RE JUST A BUNCH OF SMALL LIFE LOSERS HOLDING OUR BASKET OF GRIPES while the mighty "jg" marches his way to his hundredth million (earned off the backs of peasants). CLEARLY, we are wholly unworthy of anything as monumental as 'legal action' or anything ridiculous like that. so, i guess i won't sweat trying to be nice and taking the high road or whatever. and if/when a cease and desist arrives, then maybe i will FRAME IT AS EVIDENCE OF OUR VALIDATION |
Posted by: abbe Sep 26 2008, 12:51 PMand then send that shit straight to Rush&Molloy.hahahahahahahahaaa |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 26 2008, 01:00 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Sep 26 2008, 12:37 PM)
He probably doesn't even exist! He's just one of our 9 aliases. |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 26 2008, 01:06 PMYeah, I got a big fat Dick Johnson alias for them, right here in my pants. |
Posted by: Staff Meal Sep 26 2008, 04:29 PMyea seriously, what's the deal? if jg is so happy with all his money and doesn't want to admit he did anything wrong, why is he such a press whore??? obvs he needs all that attention to cover over his guilt. |
Posted by: swee Sep 26 2008, 05:28 PMMaybe Jean-Georges went to the Julia Allison School of PR. |
Posted by: swee Sep 26 2008, 05:33 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Sep 26 2008, 12:46 PM) CLEARLY, we are wholly unworthy of anything as monumental as 'legal action' or anything ridiculous like that. Abbe, whatever it is you're doing, it's working. Last week I finally caved and bought your book, and I just finished it. Excellent. Surprisingly refreshing and unexpectedly excellent. Job well done. Congratulations, another fan is born. |
Posted by: MILFweed Sep 26 2008, 06:49 PMQUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Sep 26 2008, 11:41 AM) Woooh, big fucking deal. The French president comes to the USA, and he wants a French chef cooking for him. (And yeah, I already heard about it, that's my point.) The most annoying part is that if Obama went to France and asked for an American chef because the only thing he wanted was a good ol' American cheeseburger? The press would probably crucify him for it and call him ignorant and tacky. |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 26 2008, 08:09 PMOh I'm not rubbing it in....justice was due....I am very pleased to see everyone get their money back.I am laughing at the editor of page six putting it in the NYPost. Lets face it....the reason JG gets publicity is due the the papers running stories/clips about him. No clips-no PR. So if you are sick of him, don't put him in your section of the paper... That was easy... |
Posted by: abbe Sep 27 2008, 02:15 PMQUOTE (PassionFoodie @ Sep 26 2008, 08:09 PM) yah but i think maybe that's kinda missing the point-- i don't think the issue is that people are sick of hearing about JG entirely. i think what is irking people is the amount of FAWNING, OBSEQUIOUS press. i mean like for example, JG is forever being represented in the press-- how fabulous he is, how stylish, how awesome etc etc but then in contrast, so little press is dedicated to what the company's done wrong. one article here, a tiny blurb there, a very teensy tiny obscure mention someplace else... and yes, it's QUITE obvious all the excessive "good" press is merely a ploy to counteract the "bad" press. which in turn only propagates the "factor," if you catch my drift. SENDING that sarkozy crap to Page Six (?!): tres tres tacky indeed. frankly, i'm a little curious as to who is giving JG all this asinine advice. because let's face it-- the "admits to no wrongdoing" thing in the Reuters reportage was WAY OVER THE TOP. "admits to no wrongdoing" essentially amounts to: "yeah, here, take your money assholes, and get the fuck out of my face." which is just bad bad bad bad "image" building. imagine if it were the other way around ?? and a bunch of mexican busboys were found guilty of "stealing" or "pilfering" (aka "embezzling") $1.5M of company funds ?? they'd be in fucking JAIL right now. so seriously-- did some dumb asshole (OTHER than an attorney i mean. duh) actually encourage JG to "admit to no wrongdoing" ?? that might be good from a legal standpoint, but from a PR standpoint, it sucks dick. if they had issued one tiny little statement for example: "JG is deeply apologetic and remorseful for the MISTAKE, and regrets any inconvenience this may have caused for the employees and/or their families... and is making every effort to assure this MISTAKE is amended and will not occur again within his establishments..." IMAGINE what a difference that would have made in perception ?? he'd practically be a fucking hero in the industry right now. cuz of course, that's how "they" would "spin" it. seriously now-- who's the PR ?? baum&bullfrog ?? i must say, having at one point discovered what an incredible discount they gave to a certain company with which i am familiar, no joke i was so ready to recommend them to several others. but after seeing how that shit panned out-- and now this colossal mess with JG ?? i gotta say i am so not impressed. |
Posted by: abbe Sep 27 2008, 02:20 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Sep 27 2008, 02:15 PM) if they had issued one tiny little statement for example: "JG is deeply apologetic and remorseful for the MISTAKE, and regrets any inconvenience this may have caused for the employees and/or their families... and is making every effort to assure this MISTAKE is amended and will not occur again within his establishments..." ahahahahaa of course, if it happens now that i've mentioned it-- it will be TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. missed the boat, mutherfukkers. that leaky rusty dilapidated sinking ship has SAILED, bitches. |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Sep 27 2008, 09:24 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Sep 27 2008, 02:15 PM) frankly, i'm a little curious as to who is giving JG all this asinine advice. because let's face it-- the "admits to no wrongdoing" thing in the Reuters reportage was WAY OVER THE TOP. Hmmm. The papers run the articles....they should know....or why bother promoting JG?? I am curious too. 1.75 million is a hell of a lot money in skimmed wages and OT for " no wrongdoing" In all fairness, I would be in jail for that kind of "mistake", "oversight" or "stealing" (take your pick). To answer (or guess at it anyway) your question- the director of operations????? Ummm U did say "asinine advice" so that is what I come up with. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 28 2008, 03:24 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Sep 27 2008, 02:15 PM) Exactly! Thank you. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Oct 13 2008, 02:53 PMQUOTE
QUOTE I bet the only reason nothing is "signed yet," is cuz Bob is probably trying to consult the OTHER "A-team" too-- |
Posted by: PassionFoodie Oct 13 2008, 03:04 PMHmmm JG doing Italian. Ok that had to hurt. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Dec 11 2008, 12:13 PMRemember what we were talking about in the Private [password protected] Forum*? QUOTE Jean-Georgess Gift to You This Season: $24 Lunches and $35 Dinners Across the Board
*Note: theForum @ PX This included a separate "Members Only" (by invitation) forum, wherein the more controversial discussions were moved / took place [e.g. a reader who claimed to be a "family member" of Lois Freedman vented personal frustrations]. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Dec 15 2008, 02:19 PMWhat's the deal that he's taking the space in Greenwich Hotel? Didn't someone here say that Starwood won't let him open in other hotels, which makes sense. Is the Starwood deal dead because of the finanvcial crisis?? |
Posted by: abbe Dec 16 2008, 01:26 PMwas that me ??
QUOTE (Dishwasher @ Dec 15 2008, 01:19 PM) i have since discovered i was WRONG about the deal itself. it wasn't the type of deal i had presumed at all. apparently, Starwood purchased a huge (if not CONTROLLING) percentage of SPICE MARKET. this (of course) allows them to open as many SpiceMarkets as they please in as many locations as their greedy little hearts desire. this would also explain why JG is NOT hindered in opening in other hotels or freestanding locations or wherever. this would also explain why SpiceMarket was NOT included in his new $24/$35 prix fixe deal. and call me crazy, but i'm pretty sure i noticed a whiles ago that the SpiceMarket logo was removed from the company's little white vans (usually spotted outside corp headquarters or theMercer). this too would explain that particular observation. so in essence-- no, the deal is not dead. but in this current financial crisis (and given their decidedly unspectacular reception), i would be impressed if any new SpiceMarkets worldwide are opening anytime soon. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Jan 20 2009, 01:33 PMWell the new deal that just got announced with Starwood and JG opeining in Park City makes it seem like like Starwood actually bought into Culinary Concepts, because they did not say that they are opening a Spice Market in the St. Regis. It might be that CC was created as a spinoff of JG ENT just for the Starwood deal, and that there only property right now is Spice Market. But it's interesting because typically what a company will do if it's not making any money with the concept is create a different concept. So if Starwood is coming up with a a whole new concept for Park City, then it seems like Spice Market is not meeting expectations in revenue. |
Posted by: BX(Busboy Extraordinaire) Jan 21 2009, 04:49 PMYea right, what ever happened to the one that was supposed to open in Aspen?? What an attention whore |
Posted by: virgo Jan 22 2009, 02:17 PM i have never worked for him, and personally have nothing against him - though i've heard horror stories from friends that have. but i do agree that it's getting out of hand that some great rest's or chefs that could use the press never get any attention, while jg gets written about every time he sneezes. worse, every time he even thinks about sneezing. |
Posted by: abbe Jan 27 2009, 01:21 PMQUOTE (BX(Busboy Extraordinaire) @ Jan 21 2009, 03:49 PM) QUOTE (virgo @ Jan 22 2009, 01:17 PM) Jean Georges Bails on Ago ... rumors of a Jean Georges Vongerichten and Jim Lahey combo quickly emerged, with many predicting it to be a done deal. Not. So. Fast. We have heard rumors that the economic downturn has not left the JGV Culinary Concepts empire unscathed, with some concepts that were gang busters here (Spice Market) do not play as well in Atlanta.... Jean Georges has apparently decided to abandon any plans for the Tribeca space, with his reps telling us "preliminary discussions took place, but no actual agreement was ever made with Jean-Georges." http://www.downbythehipster.com/blog/2009/1/27/jean-georges-bails-on-ago.html |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Jan 27 2009, 02:33 PMMaybe Bobby D took my advice and hired Fabio from Fiammia direct |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Jan 27 2009, 06:14 PMGood call! |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Jan 27 2009, 06:15 PMQUOTE (abbe @ Jan 27 2009, 12:21 PM) Raise your hands if you're shocked by this news. OK, how many hands is that? Oh, right. None. |
Posted by: Dishwasher Jan 28 2009, 07:33 PMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Jan 27 2009, 01:33 PM) That is a much better idea. If they had Jg then people would dismiss it as a gimmick becase he is a French/Asian chef. Would have been a big waste of money. There's no way that JG could have handled another space that big on top of the ABC spave. Matsugen is struggling as it is and to take on 2 more at that size would have been suicide. |
Posted by: abbe Jan 29 2009, 07:56 PMhttp://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/carmellinis-a-go-at-ago/ |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Jan 30 2009, 11:56 AMSmart move |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Feb 2 2009, 09:54 AMhttp://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/entertainment/view/406331/1/.html |
Posted by: angel Feb 2 2009, 10:56 AMQUOTE (MONEYMAN @ Feb 2 2009, 08:54 AM) http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/entertainment/view/406331/1/.html
QUOTE I guess thay should have thought about that before they stole the money in the first place. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 2 2009, 11:36 AMQUOTE (angel @ Feb 2 2009, 09:56 AM) Thank you. I read that and wanted to say, "Shut up, Carolyn, you fucking bitch." All these people that have stolen from the employees all live in mulit-million dollar homes, and now they want to bitch about how getting sued over money that they had no right to take in the first place is going to hurt their businesses? Boo hoo hoo. These assholes never gave a shit that FOH'ers were living in tiny shoeboxes with roommates all this time. I'm pretty sure that in these 'uncertain economic times' that these people need the $3300 more than you do, you greedy fucking bitch. |
Posted by: Dick Johnson Feb 2 2009, 01:18 PMNot to mention the fact that if it had been in reverse, and an FOH'er had been caught stealing money from the house, that person would have been fired on the spot. But her argument is that the FOH should shut up and stop upholding the laws, because they'll lose their jobs.
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Posted by: Inkslinger Feb 2 2009, 02:57 PMQUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Feb 2 2009, 12:18 PM) Exactly, thank you! Or if these owners are so worried about their economic situation, they should stop hiring lawyers and paying them so much to defend them when they know they're wrong, and just give back the fucking money they stole in the first place. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Jun 3 2009, 11:24 AMDid You Ever Work for Jean-Georges Vongerichten? Cash in Now!http://nymag.com/daily/food/2009/06/did_you_ever_work_for_jean_geo.html |
Posted by: BS Detector Jun 30 2009, 05:18 PMhttp://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/fbh/1241258024.html
Ha! There used to be a time that just mentioning JG's name would have people running to apply for jobs, but now he has to advertise on Craigslist and has to sell himself by talking himself up. |
Posted by: whats anorexia? Jun 30 2009, 06:43 PMi've never even worked in a rest my whole life, & after what i read in abbe's book and have seen here in the forum, even i would never let anyone i know work there! |
Posted by: Inkslinger Aug 17 2009, 01:03 PMEaterWire: JGV's Son at Perry Street...http://eater.com/archives/2009/08/eaterwire_278.php#more http://www.desperatechefswives.com/2009/08/goodbye-perry-st.html Congrats, Chef's Wife and Chef! |
Posted by: abbe Aug 18 2009, 01:54 PMoh wow
oh yah-- and congratulations chefwife and hubby! |
Posted by: MONEYMAN Aug 21 2009, 10:04 AMHey Abbe..................salaried people don't get overtime!!! |
Posted by: BS Detector Aug 22 2009, 01:44PMYeah, exactly.Hey Abbe.................the kitchen staff is being maxed out because Perry doesn't make enough money to keep a big enough staff of hand???? That would make sense. |
Posted by: Inkslinger Sep 18 2009, 10:41 AMhttp://newyork.grubstreet.com/2009/09/jean-georges_opens_fiftieth_pr.html Jean-Georges Opens 50th Project This Year
QUOTE Where does he get the balls to put his name on so many restaurants and try to convince people that each of them has his attention?Kernel Sanders did, but no one expected much of him. By mymymichl on 09/17/2009 at 7:11pm I get 33 if you just count all the places on both of his websites, and not all of those places belong to CC. This 50 property claim doesn't sound right... Where are the other places listed???? By StevieVong on 09/17/2009 at 10:21pm ...oh an apparently he has balls to spare... By StevieVong on 09/17/2009 at 10:22pm http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2009/09/jean-georges_opens_fiftieth_pr.html
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Posted by: Captain Kangaroo Sep 21 2009, 11:22 AMhttp://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/breaking/59255/
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Posted by: Dick Johnson Sep 21 2009, 06:00 PMOh, snap. |
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